"I won't look at a damn thing, I won't consider the overwhelming evidence, I won't have any doubts about their goodness, I'll keep charging right behind McBush... UNTIL they have been tried and convicted."The analogy given below was about someone getting away with very serious motor vehicle offenses, public endangerment, and a DUI, because they had a very good lawyer, bribed the judge, and blackmailed the prosecutor.
Aside from calling me "Max", Craig tries to side-step the issue with more ad hominem attacks. He writes across two repetitive postings:
"You are absolutely certifiable... you have tin foil hats at home... You need help man... The guy is certifiable... Bribe the judge blackmail the .... WTF is wrong with you... Another judge bribing conspiracy... Your analogy is ludicrous and your points are left wing , and anti American..."To assist Craig who has problems making connections, the drunk driver in the analogy refers to the Bush Administration. Is judge appointment for life the same thing as judge bribing?
Bush appointed his own Supreme Court judges with the help of lock-stepping party-line Republican votes, despite large public outcries about conflicts of interests that the judges had. The Justice Department scandal has ramifications about him appointing his own prosecutors. (Is appointment or retention only if you do the administration's bidding the same thing as blackmail?) The justice department appointees in the DC area have been reluctant to arrest Meyers, Rove, etc. for contempt of court for failure to appear to congressional subpoenas in the numerous scandals surrounding the Bush White House, which in turn has almost crippled Congress and forced them to consider re-animating old powers.
In the DUI blackmail analogy, though, the blackmailed prosecutors could also be considered Congress, and even more finely the gang of eight: the House and Senate Majority and Minority Leaders. Keep them in check with a combination of carrots and sticks: political contributions & favorable votes on key issues versus fear (e.g., Anthrax, blackmail because what elected official really has no skeletons in their closet). Control the gang eight and you can put a very tight mussle on WH badness ever getting out of committee and to the floor for debate and votes, as justifiable impeachment resolutions have proven.
"Most people who get DUI's just pay their fines do their time and go on with their lives.""Most people" is not "all people," and it is certainly not special elite people like Bush who have lived their entire lives beyond the law that keeps us regular folks in check. How did average Bush get into those elite schools and into the National Guard? How did he avoid fulfilling his National Guard commitment? Did Bush ever serve time for his DUI and cocaine offenses from the 1970's? What about drunk Cheney blowing his friend's face off with a shotgun?
Relevant to the DUI analogy: Did Scooter Libby ever serve time for his obstruction of justice CONVICTION? His sentence was immediately commuted -- no time served --, which unlike a pardon conveniently keeps his self-incrimination 5th Amendment rights in tact. Had he been outright pardoned, self-incrimination would no longer apply and he would have been compelled to spill the beans on his bosses.
Paying fines to the wealthy and influential is as painful to them as the removal of seashells from a beach is to the sea.
So Craig's one phrase that holds true is that THESE special people who get DUI's "go on with their lives" and go on and can repeat the same offenses without fear of retribution, as the analogy relates.
I agree with Craig on one point that what we're seeing is anti-American, but it is neither left wing, nor right wing, nor any wing. It is. And it is not ludicrous; it is serious. Open your eyes.
Bush & Co. should have been tried and convicted before his second term, but they have been exceptionally skilled at gaming the system, stacking the deck, rewriting laws, abandoning treaties, ignoring international law, accumulating favors, and heading off oversight well before their criminal actions would have to call in those favors and utilize well-planned covers for their asses.
Don't believe me? To see it in action, take another look into the torture scandal. Or look into the Iraq War build-up. These establish a pattern... which can be overlaid onto 9/11. (9/11 isn't exclusively Max's domain, Craig.)
"You want to try and convict people in your kangaroo court. In America in case you have forgotten we don't pass sentence on people until after they have been convicted in a court of law."Blah, blah, blah.
This isn't a situation where neighbor Joe Blow gets lynched by the court of public opinion assisted by media hype without benefit of trial and due process. The Bush Administration isn't neighbor Joe Blow.
When it comes to high elected officials, the ultimate jury is the public.
The public can't, like Craig, be anti-American and shirk their duties of becoming a well-informed citizenry, of weighing the evidence, and of escalating their findings with their representatives.
The public can't, like Craig, sit on their sofa waiting for a "trial and conviction" to be convinced of wrong-doing at the highest levels and then at that point become outraged. If the public doesn't consider the evidence now, doesn't come to some conclusion now, and doesn't raise their voices now, there will be no trial to wait for.
When (over-whelming) evidence influences public sentiment, elected officials have no choice but to conduct the trial that can render justice, or they suffer the vote. There is nothing "Kangaroo Court" about it (unlike what Bush has been pulling at Gitmo.)
... But there's that voting thing again, where games were played to rig the election process in Bush's favor. Aside from it following in line with the DUI analogy of judge bribing, it is another scandal Craig refuses to weigh the evidence on.
Of course, the Bush administration even in the realm of public opinion has left nothing to chance. Another of their known offenses is government propaganda imposed on the American public through fake news reports favorable to administration policies. It is no secret about the symbiotic relationship between Bush and big media (like Murdoch's Fox network). Media desired more relaxed laws and oversight to expand market share, while Bush needed a propaganda outlet.
Moreover, the Bush Administration's collusion with media to suppress unfavorable (9/11, Iraq, WMD) discussions demonstrates again that they aren't a Joe Blow neighbor being railroaded. They have been rigging the court of public opinion. (Former FOX news people complained that they were ordered to have "balance" in the form of 2 conservative viewpoints for every liberal one.)
Show me one main stream media news report at prime time that (a) devoted more than 5 minutes to the 9/11 topic, (b) provided knowledgable 9/11 truthers, (c) wasn't stacked 2-to-1 against the truthers, ~and~ (d) didn't have the "moderator" make at least one belittling comment exposing the network's position, like "nutty", "crazy", "far-out", "conspiracy theory." Fair? Balanced?
We've seen plenty of unbalanced news reports and political opinion panels whose members' positions were entirely 9/11 debunking, but none that were entirely 9/11 truthers. Have we ever seen in prime time a panel of exclusively 9/11 truthers? No. Because suddenly "balanced" reporting becomes an issue for the biased media co-conspirators; the panel has to be stacked so the 9/11 truther gets his time gets cut in half or a third and must waste time fending off attacks before making new points.
You dismiss "September Clues" and media's complicity in 9/11 at America's peril. Overwhelming evidence of government involvement, cover-up, and lies (or monumental incompetence) existed before this revelation. This is just another straw.
CRAIG, YOU PROVE YOUR OWN ANTI-AMERICANISM in not being informed, in not weighing the overwhelming evidence, and in not participating in the public jury that is so essentially necessary to move the heavy wheels of justice into handling corruption at the highest levels, which has the motivation and means to apply brakes and insert crowbars to stop those very same wheels.