x188 Señor El Once : Preparation Meets Opportunity
You can always tell when Mr. Rogue's argumentative position is up against the ropes, because both his frequency in postings and his disrespectful tone increase in volume, and he is more inclined to insert a lie or cheat to bolster his losing case.
- 2013-09-09 at 9:23 pm
- 2013-09-09 at 9:36 pm
- 2013-09-09 at 11:23 pm
- 2013-09-09 at 11:54 pm
- 2013-09-10 at 12:21 am
- 2013-09-10 at 2:46 am
- 2013-09-10 at 5:15 am
- 2013-09-10 at 9:20 am
Mr. Rogue (2013-09-10 at 12:21 am) is under the mistaken impression that when he posts in other public venues boastful links to his "works", he can pick-and-choose to whom the "invitation" is intended and who can and cannot read it.
Another mistaken impression that Mr. Rogue harbors is when he insults someone (repeatedly and as his main argument in the debate), he believes that this person is not allowed to defend themselves or correct the record. And should they be so bold, they must do it at his gutter level.
[2013-09-08] "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity"~Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Here's the backstory to Mr. Rogue's taunts from 2013-09-10 at 9:20 am.
Mr. Rogue was among several who were writing book reports about Dr. Wood's book without having read it, because he certainly wasn't going to fork over money for that which he deemed disinformation based on internet hearsay. His bluff was called. The first part of the gentleman's agreement in exchange for the book was for him to objectively review it for the good, the bad, and the ugly. [Disclaimer: I don't champion it 100%. I wanted it discredited legitimately and the nuggets of truth preserved.] Mr. Rogue ran out the clock for more than a year, at which point he finally admitted that he hadn't read it and was allegedly so frustrated with the content [which should have been the basis for the bad and ugly in his report] that he violently ripped out the 500 pages from this hard-bound book for his bird's cage, making it difficult for his poor-ass to fulfill the second half of that gentleman's agreement: to pass-it-along or pay-it-forward.
Because my aims were to have Dr. Wood's textbook debunked legitimately point-by-point while preserving that which so merited, you can't imagine my disappointment when Mr. Rogue welched on the gentleman's agreement. By all standards, he is deserving of the "weasel" label (the extra Dubya in the "Triple-Dubya" that I have taken to calling him.)
Meanwhile, though, the discussions on DEW-ey topics continued. Whenever Mr. Rogue was feeling frustrated at having his arguments shredded on T&S, he'd slink back here to COTO and compose all sorts of crafty insults and malframed counter-arguments to my points. In his misguided pride at his "accomplishments" on COTO [ad hominem that wasn't tolerated on T&S], he posted links to it. So I came.
Check out Mr. Rogue's over-reaction and outright fear of that prospect.
[2012-11-13] I don't want Señor around me Puddy. I hope that is clear to you. He is bad business. I don't want to see this stranger in our house.
[2012-11-18] I say leave the little spot of piss dribbled by the uncouth El Once. Let the world note what a small person he really is... but let him say no more here.
[2013-11-20] [at 12:34 pm] There is such a thing as a 'Restraining Order' Puddy, when it comes to your own blog. It is at your own fingertips. What more is it going to take? How much more shit are you going to allow this shitheaded clown Señor stir-up? Are you seriously incapable of banning? This has gone too far. Do something. ... [at 8:43 pm] I want to wake both you and Deb up to the fact, the undeniable in your face fact that Señor is nothing but a stalking asshole. ... I warned both of you from the very beginning about this skunk. ... As it stands I have no culpability for the fact of this gameplaying son-of-a-bitch still being here, regardless of Deb buying into his lie that I 'invited him here' – that is simply balderdash. I'm going to say it one more time, ban this fucker. He has no rightful place here. ... [at 9:08 pm] So what does it take to get your attention Puddy? ... This is absurd. How long are you going to let this go on?
This? From Mr. Rogue, who so confidently can argue down (with insults) the best of the trolls? What gives?
Needless to say, my postings on COTO did not merit such antics, nor the out-and-out smear that permeates thoroughly the comment section to his beloved PROLOGUE [even despite the recent pruning.] It became clear very quickly that comments from me, regardless of actual content, would not survive on Mr. Rogue's threads.
About this same point in time, Veritable1 and Boomerangcomesback were taunting me by saying:
Perhaps you would like to elucidate and expound on your "theories" with your own thread on COTO? Go ahead.
So I did: 9/11 Neutron Nuclear DEW (part 1) [2012-11-22] and 9/11 Neutron Nuclear DEW (part 2) [2012-12-21].
+++ End of Backstory
Respectful debate participant that Mr. Rogue is (not), not only would he malframe my points on his thread, but he would purge my efforts at correction. Mr. Rogue started posting disrespectful nonesense to my thread. I deleted them. All seventeen (17) of them... from a single 12-hour period. And then I fed them back to Mr. Rogue as a top-level COTO posting under the title: The Gay Porn of Hybridrogue1 [2013-03-06].
Mr. Rogue wrote yesterday on this theme:
Let us then suppose that the ever "respectful" and "genteel" Señora Maxitwat recalls, and stands by this. It was only March 7th of this very year that this "elegant" and "trustworthy gentleman" posted this delightfully titled little piece on COTO. Of course as smiling fate would have it on this hero in his/her own masked mind, this link is no longer working. And why is that? because JG who 'has never once used the delete button' on any comment until mine on Prologe; deleted the whole post.
[1] There is no such persona "Señora Maxitwat" or "Maxitwat" or other jejune & immature versions on "Max." Please, call me by my proper name "Señor El Once" or "SEO".
[2] Yes, I stand behind it. Does Mr. Rogue? Let's see...
[3] No, it was March 6th of this year. The March 7th version was a misguided and malframed concoction by Veritable1 to cover Mr. Rogue's six, badly. All participants agreed that that version should be buried.
[4] Mr. Rogue was smiling when he wrote "this link is no longer working", but that smile is fading as he realizes that not only does my CYA link work [WARNING: Deep rabbit hole], but the meat of that article below the title and introductory paragraph was pure, unadulterated, trollish Mr. Rogue in all his glory.
[5] Why was the COTO version deleted? Mr. Rogue's 17 comments in row over a 12 hour period -- that he knew when making them would end up in the trash -- did not reflect very well on him when *presto*, suddenly, there they all were, resurrected, standing side-by-side, and proving him in violation of COTO's rules of engagement. Truly, The Gay Porn of Hybridrogue1 as given by the title.
Well before Mr. Rogue's smile faded from seeing this "preparation meeting opportunity", he uttered:
And it is in how all of this is now conveniently forgotten, down the Memory Hole as it were, that leaves me to stand in wonder. Well, I don't know if there is some digital record that can be pulled up on this justly deleted slur of a post offered by the "ever respectful and respected" Señor/Señora ... whichever, but I remember it, and I would wager that a few of the more honest witnesses in this crowd or community might remember it to. One more thing. Let us ask if the "O so honest and respectable" Señor will acknowledge or deny the posting of this article?.. which holds the distinction of being the ONLY COTO article to have ever been removed by management.
First, let us point out the L-I-E that Mr. Rogue is so talented at dribbling out.
My posting of The Gay Porn of Hybridrogue1 does ~not~ hold the distinction of being the ONLY COTO article to have ever been removed by management. Nope. Mr. Veritable1's lame attempt on 2013-03-07 [link doesn't work] using the same title also has that distinction, and by golly if Mr. Rogue's PROLOGUE isn't on the fast track for suffering the same fate, I don't know what is.
Good thing Mr. Rogue ramped up his own personal blog with Carnival d'Maxifuckanus [2013-03-06], so that it can avoid COTO censure. And what a date-stamping coincidence that piece of work [2013-03-06] and its comments [last one this morning] are?
Probably the only thing worth redeeming from Mr. Rogue's blog [2013-09-08]
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity"~Lucius Annaeus Seneca
// I'm so lucky to have the opportunity to debate Mr. Rogue.
x189 Señor El Once : {Unfinished} Who's "we"?
2013-09-10
Mr. Rogue steps right into the neu-nookiedoo [2013-09-09 at 11:23 pm]:
My question would be 'who's "we" in this quote' [from SEO]?
If we're talking remnants of nuclear devices — maybe even nuclear fizzling — then this explains the ineffectual "extreme firefighting efforts" on the "violent and long-lasting" "fires in the debris pile" as well as the "unbelievable security.
Obviously, the "we" is now Mr. Rogue and me. Mr. Rogue did not have to respond to my posting. He doesn't own this blog, nor does he have an agency assignment to steer T&S discussions away from looney neu-nookiedoo. [Or does he?] Still, he feels compelled to make his side-ways comments despite knowing full-well that he'll be:
... liable for another one of [SEO's] encyclopedic belches of irrelevant blabbergrind for pointing this out. Disgusting.
Disgusting indeed.
What does the "unbelievable security" have to do with specifically a nuclear device? This is a National Security State, one that is culpable of the crime scene of 9/11, of course the security would be total as they could possibly manage.
For a moment, let's assume chemical explosives and incendiaries were the cause. For the most part, these would be consumed doing what they were designed to do: pulverize the towers. [We assume that overkill pulverization was a design goal, because this is what was observed and requires extra effort to implement.] Figuring in margin of error and failure in application over-design, how much would be left-over, unspent in the rubble?
The issue with unspent explosives is that they are EXPLOSIVE! The left-over explosives near hot-spots would be popping off at inopportune moments over the course of many weeks. Explosive reactions, such as what pulverized the towers, to my knowledge, were not observed in those many weeks. Theoretically holding to the assumption, unspent explosives would be common at the site and noticable by trained 1st responders.
The issue with unspent incendiaries is that they represent a chemical reaction that is limited by initial quantities. Subtract from that quantity good-faith estimates of what was spent in the application. The left-over is what would theoretically be available to burn under the rubble. Theoretically holding to the assumption, again unspent incendiaries would be common at the site and noticable by trained 1st responders.
Again holding to the assumption of only chemical explosives and incendiaries, the culprits could have calculated the lower and upper bounds of expected left-over quantities -- small compared to the initial quantities -- and therefore have a good idea based on burn-rates and educated "salting" guesses of how long they'd burn under the rubble if left alone. The pragmist in me believes that raging hot-spots from the unspent portion of those chemical explosives and incendiaries could have a calculated duration of two or three days [not the observed many weeks.] Mr. Rogue would then be on the money with his [unsupported, wild-ass] contention:
LTC Blirtch of SOCCOM and SAIC also had the means and opportunity to augment and and re-purpose any explosives and incendiaries that might have been buried in the pile at Ground Zero. Which would support my contention that the pile was designed to continue to burn to 'eat the evidence'.
Alas, the hot-spots were neither left-alone nor actively fueled "to eat the evidence" from any found & re-purposed explosives and incendiaries. (You don't think throwing an explosive onto a fire doesn't make a noticable "boom" and observable, violent & life-threatening movement of materials?] Fire-fighting efforts included millions of gallons of water, rain, and chemical-based fire suppression agents. And Mayor Guillani was boasting the next day the many tons of debris (albeit still a fraction of the whole) they cleared over night.
Therefore, I don't think the assumption of the primary role of chemical explosives and incendiaries holds.
So let's explore the nuclear alternate.
Based on their deep military industrial complex (MIC) connections, if LTC Blirtch of SOCCOM and SAIC -- the "fraternal twin of the intelligence establishment" -- are assumed to have had the means and opportunity to acquire such massive quantities of chemical explosives and incendiaries, why should the assumption limit consideration of [a comparatively small number of] nuclear toys in the MIC arsenals? LTC Blirtch of SOCCOM and SAIC would have also had the means and opportunity to neutralize any unwanted nuclear remnants that might have been buried in the pile at [the aptly named] Ground Zero.
Chemical based mechanisms would burn off and out comparatively. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukusuma demonstrate that nuclear fizzle would be observably long in duration.
{Include some pictures from Dr. Wood's collection where they're doing hazmat procedures on exiting trucks.}
Mr. Rogue writes :
While the rest of the commentators on T&S find fault in Ryan's treatment of the Pentagon issue, there is no one else here "talking remnants of nuclear devices" as an angle to criticize Ryan's work. And I yet again deplore the fact that every single thread has to get this sales pitch from Señor about this.
Except for Mr. Syed and me, "the rest of the commentators" are talking from the high & lofty positions of not having read the book from which to base their learned (echo-chamber) opinions to criticize Ryan's work.
I give Mr. Ryan lots of credit and kudos for his endeavor that begins to get at the "WHO" and "WHY they were most likely" and "WHAT they probably brought to the table."
It occurs to me why I was a little tweaked at the discussions earlier in this thread that centered around a cherry-picked quote regarding a premise to accept as much of the official story as possible. What the participants here missed (from not reading the book) is the text surrounding it that can be boiled down to "for the sake of discussion, let's assume [X] from the Official Story and see how far it gets us."
Assume hijackers: How could they have made it into the country? How could they have been so off-the-radar? Ooops! How could they have been on every agencies' radar yet had enabling higher-up's who effectively turned off that radar? Ryan does an outstanding job of connecting together suspects who rubbed shoulders at various points in their lives & careers, who coincidentally had important functions to allow visas for the patsies and permit them to generate a wonderful papertrail unhindered, and who were players in the planning, execution, after-math, and cover-up of 9/11.
Assume planes hit the towers: How? Not at the recorded speed and precision with patsies at the controls. What technology enabled this? Who was at the helm or on the board of such companies? What other rubbing elbows connections do those players have in the MIC and the 9/11 operation? Where exactly did all of the planes hit?
Assuming things for the sake of discussion is a valid, tried-and-true debate technique, because sometimes the exercise leads us full circle to question the assumptions themselves. A brief for instance, let's assume that the towers fell by a gravity driven pile driver and no added energy. When we take into consideration evidence that the destruction was near free-fall speeds and that content was pulverized at the same time, balancing Newton's physics for the energy requirements leaves us only two choices: [1] Allah was indeed great and powerful on that day to bend the laws of physics to achieve his will (so why are we attacking Muslims again?). Or [2] the assumption of no added energy is false, which then opens a whole other can of worms of how "terrorists on planes" achieved it.
I could go on, and we all know the 9/11 topic is broad. To fault Mr. Ryan for his handling of the Pentagon [which I haven't even got to yet] is short-sighted. Mr. Ryan has opened my eyes to the false-front corporations privately funded with influential MIC directors who weaseled their way into roles of impact and influence, and then in cases slinked away into bankruptcy after the deed was done and the players, already made rich, got golden parachutes into other opportunities.
{Unfinished. //}
x190 Coalition of the Obvious : To a Maxitwat everything looks like a nuke
2013-09-11
{Representing the 3rd time in COTO history, the main article and its comments were taken down.}
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:41 am hybridrogue1
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 5:32 am hybridrogue1
"Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) first helps define the problem of terrorism and then profits from that problem through contracts worth tens of billions of dollars. … [SAIC] has become a private business that cannot be distinguished from a permanent form of government. In short, SAIC is the "fraternal twin of the intelligence establishment." [849]
[849] Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele, Washington's $8 Billion Shado, Vanity Fair, March 2007
"Therefore, LTC Blirtch of SOCCOM and SAIC had the means and opportunity to neutralize any unwanted explosives that might have been buried in the pile at Ground Zero."~Kevin Ryan
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LTC Blirtch of SOCCOM and SAIC > also had the means and opportunity to augment and and re-purpose any explosives and incendiaries that might have been buried in the pile at Ground Zero. Which would support my contention that the pile was designed to continue to burn to 'eat the evidence'.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:57 am hybridrogue1
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 6:56 am hybridrogue1
'To a Hammer, Everything Looks Like a Nail'
This old saw has to do with Bias in problem solving.
I took the quotes of Kevin Ryan from Señora Maxitwat. To his/her hammer, EVERYTHING looks like a nuke.
Even the extreme security at the destroyed WTC site is asserted to be a cover for the use of nukes, even as obvious as it is that the security was a cover for the illegal erasure of the crime scene.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 7:01 am hybridrogue1
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 5:32 am hybridrogue1
To a hammer everything looks like a nail.
To a Maxitwat everything looks like a nuke.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 12:33 pm veritable1
Definition; "CREEP"
A boring, disturbingly eccentric, painfully introverted or painfully obnoxious person.
To paraphrase a saying; "Creepy is as creepy does"
Describe anyone we've had the misfortune to become somewhat acquainted with?
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 1:31 pm hybridrogue1
Yes Veri,
With blatant obviousness. It is stunning how this conman Bridges has pulled this off here…especially here, with his glad-hand and smiley face mask, and saccharine rhetoric.
"Misfortune" indeed.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 7:20 am hybridrogue1
I do not debate with Maxitwat because it would be like being locked in a cell with Renfield.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:41 am hybridrogue1
I don't debate Maxitwat because it would be like being locked in a cell with Renfield.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 6:31 am hybridrogue1
I am not going to make an argument back to the unspooling of utter bullshit twine from the Maxitwat. I will only say that every item that is mentioned in this insane and massive missive is given a true account of on Prologue @:
http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/prologue-new-wave-911/
But I will note that Maxitwat does NOT have Mr Rogue as his/her debating partner. The entity fails to grasp this most important aspect of reality, and thus continues to shriek anal hurlant into a void lacking context.
If anyone really gives a flying flip about this whole affair I suggest they study the entity's encyclopedic blabbergrind, and go through my explanations of what really happened at Prologue.
I still stand by my position that this anonymous entity is a lunatic stalker.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:11 am hybridrogue1
From: The MOST LUNATIC COMMENTS Files:
[This one should get 1st Prize for Comedy]>
"First, let us point out the L-I-E that Mr. Rogue is so talented at dribbling out.
My posting of The Gay Porn of Hybridrogue1 does ~not~ hold the distinction of being the ONLY COTO article to have ever been removed by management. Nope. Mr. Veritable1?s lame attempt on 2013-03-07 [link doesn't work] using the same title also has that distinction, and by golly if Mr. Rogue's PROLOGUE isn't on the fast track for suffering the same fate, I don't know what is."~Maxitwat ("Señor El Once")
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Okay this is funny enough!
Maxitwat calls me a liar for pointing out that his/her article is the only one ever axed by the management, then his "proof" is that Veritable1?s attempt to access it pulls up the [ERROR 404 – FILE NOT FOUND] message page – which is exactly what you get when trying to pull up an article that no longer exists:
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DELETED!`
And then Maxitwat uses his/her hope of a future event of the eventuality that the PROLOGUE page might one day be deleted, as the second "proof" that I am supposedly lying about what is clearly the case!..??
WTF?
This is only one of the most obvious of this lunatic's crankdangdoodles, but all of this entity's other tales of my villainy and dishonesty are equally as false and misleading as this.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:57 am hybridrogue1
The 2nd Act if Maxitwat's 9/11 Anniversary Comedy Special
"Here's the backstory to Mr. Rogue's taunts from 2013-09-10 at 9:20 am.
Mr. Rogue was among several who were writing book reports about Dr. Wood's book without having read it, because he certainly wasn't going to fork over money for that which he deemed disinformation based on internet hearsay."~Maxitwat
This is the URL where the debate over Judy Woowoo's 'crank-science' was under debate.
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/the-judy-wood-enigma-a-discussion-of-the-most-controversial-figure-in-911-research/
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If you go to this page you will see that the moderator and author of the story being discussed, states quite clearly that one doesn't have to have THE BOOK in order to participate in the discussion. It is only in Maxitwats fevered imagination that it is reframed as "writing book reports".
As far as the reference to "internet hearsay" I can only assume the entity is referring to Wood's website, which is in fact written by herself and is in substance the same material that is published in her book.
What we actually will see there on that thread is the clear history of this entity's high-pressure taunting sales-pitch, that made the false claim that one could not get the full Wood's story without this bloody book_ and THAT is the lie here, because there is nothing new in the book from what is on the website, but for ink and paper.
And I would point out that in none of Señora Maxitwat's blathering does he/she ever say in clear language exactly what is in the book that isn't on the website – other than a nice plastic card with a map of the WTC Complex Aftermath illustrated on it.
I have stated several times in the comments above how it was that I offered the BOOK back to the Señora, and how the Señora refused its return (in perfect condition). I explained that the deal made was conducted under false pretenses, that there was nothing in the book that was new. Maxitwat would not accept return and therefore forfeits any and all obligation I may have once had.
Now this situation becomes so absurdly redundant to go over and around yet again, that I feel comfortable in simply dismissing Señora Maxicracktwat using justifiable ad hominem. If this fuckin' lunatic doesn't like it then it can stop monitoring everything I say and stop reading it! Simple as that.
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2013-09-11 at 3:10 pm hybridrogue1
Adendum to:
The 2nd Act if Maxitwat's 9/11 Anniversary Comedy Special
I have no contract with Maxitwat, I have no obligation to argue anything with the entity. When I offered the book back, in prime condition, and the entity refused that return for the purpose of retaining a contract, that I hold is based in false representation of the book under discussion – the entity's position became an unjustified lean. Maxitwat could have redeemed his "losses" completely, but refused to do so.
The history of this deal coming into being is clear and in the public record. The entity's representations of the product offered can be shown to be utterly fraudulent. The Maxitwat itself cannot even provide a clear example of what is substantively unique to the Book in comparison to what is provided on the website of the author of the book. It is the entity's responsibility to prove the case that the book is unique, rather than mine to make an argument of nonexistence; onus probandi .
Now, the strength of my argument is that I had already made a sufficient argument against the Wood hypothesis prior to receiving the book. I therefore owe no further argument on this head. I determined his assertion of "good, bad, and ugly" in Wood's work is misrepresentation, in that it is in the main substantively "ugly", ei, disinformation.
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2013-09-11 hybridrogue1
September 11th is now an official US national holiday.
What a sick joke it is that it is called 'Patriot Day' as anyone who understands the despotic 'Patriot Act' will surely understand.
This act and ensuing "legislation" from that time establishes a tyranny under the moniker of "Homeland Security" – so Naziesque in flavor and detail that any who miss it are living a delusion of historical amnesia.
Gawblesmerkah! Hahahahahaha!!!
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2013-09-11 at 3:26 pm boomerangcomesback
Yeah, I don't even want to waste my time to read Senor's jibberjabbing above. Folks — there's so much more important stuff falling down around us!
Be respectful in Allowing COTO commenters and readers to form their own opinions, especially on 9/11 info. Everyone is Always at a different point in their own personal "learning curve".
Make your points, serve em up, defend em, whatever, but WE ALL get to do the COTO CRUCIBLE DANCE on everybody's points! Out the back end will shoot the shit, the foam will float to the surface, and maybe some gold will be found resting on the bottom of the pan. But WE get to do the pan frying! It takes all of the fun out of it with posters like yourselves whacking each other over the head with your pans.
Why don't WE all "Agree" to Shut the Fuck Up, and move along to the next topics of interest?! If you guys must, then set up a single "Fight Cage" thread like I suggested somewhere, and spend as much energy and time bashing about on it as you want.
Really, it would be great to see ALL of the 9/11 haggling (including the thread Rady tossed — Rogue1, they still sit there in the Trash, and can be resurrected as far as I know), and post it. It might be interesting to have a Smash Up thread on a topic as controversial and important as 9/11.
What do you think?
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 6:06 pm hybridrogue1
"What do you think?"
Well you asked Boomer.
I think equating Maxitwat's status at COTO with mine is total horseshit.
Lol…well you DID ask now didn't you?
If you think my writings on Rady's blog are ever going to see the light of day again….
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
Look dude, you put up a post like this one and then don't like what happens…what can I say? Unexpected consequences… that's life pal.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 7:27 pm jerseyg
Boomer, you were right the first time. We should all agree to shut the fuck up and move along to the next topics of interest. T&S talks of NOTHING but 9/11. Anyone that wants to rehash the same talking points over and over ad nauseum has that forum to do so. I have no interest in seeing that endless go round from Rady's blog up here on coto 1. In fact, it will never happen. Talk about jibberjabbing…sheesh…
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 7:37 pm jerseyg
Keep it up Will. Keep alienting EVERY member of this blog. Now it's Boomer's turn to feel your righteous wrath? Boomer for god sake? Get this in your head mister YOU are not better than anyone else that posts on this blog. GOt it? Go to T&S and post shit like this. See how far you get. You are very close to being banned. Don't push me and I'm dead serious. Better yet, why don't you just pack your bags and leave of your own accord because I don't think you know how to act like a civil human being.
I'll show you unexpected consequences… call me whatever name you choose.. Your words fall on deaf ears around here. You've shown your true colors.
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 8:59 pm boomerangcomesback
HaHaHa My Refrito Bandito Friend! {I could have put 'Friendito there at the end, but it would be kind of overkill on the 'frenetics" as you grok. "My Refrito Bandito Friendito?! Too much alliteration for the situation }.
Right NOW! I say Flower Power, and I ain't had flowers for so long, I wish I was hanging out wit you! So…I'm going to go back up to the TOP of the post and play some Van Morrison tuneage and see if it reframes my frame of reference and general outlook upon the landscape. You Grok? Parrottease to you and your friends.
Yes. Friends. That's what we need to seek. Enemies. Fuck em. They're a dime a dozen. Friends. I'm gonna explore that avenue. I need more friends. Or, at least, people (or critters) I can have a conversation with and walk away 'satisfied'. Like a good smoke. You know what I mean? Grok the picture~~~attribute it to…..
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:16 pm boomerangcomesback
Well…
I just re-listened to the 2 Van Morrison tunes up TOP, and I FEEL so much better. Like Butter. Thank God for Music.
Why don't WE ALL just reverberate and remonstrate the REAL shit that's Important to us ALL! Y'all know what it is. Let's get to it!
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:35 pm jerseyg
Boomer, there is only one person here who doesn't want to move on. Only one person here who wants to post vile, derogatory comments against other coto members, only one person here who sees HIS views and truth as the ONLY truth, only one person here who sees himself as superior to all… and we know who that is. People who read our blog regularly are not willing to post comments because they do not want to be torn to shreds for having a differing opinion. I know this to be fact and have proof. Now who IS this person I'm speaking of? WHo is this cancer that is out to destroy coto by chasing away every decent newcomer who might like to join us but won't? I'll give u a hint. It's not Senor.
Enough catering to this immature person, who when they don't get their way, have a bloody tantrum like a toddler that has his favorite toy taken away! ENough.
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:54 pm veritable1
Before anyone goes any further here in finger pointing as to who should be banished from COTO for spreading vitriol as opposed to who is being slandered. I suggest you might want to have a look at this.
Maxwell C. Bridges
As part of the 9/11 Truth Movement, I've been libeled and slandered as "an industrial-strength 9/11 conspiracy theorist." In reality, I'm just another Blues Brother on a mission from God. My directives concerning 9/11 were very clear. "Feed my sheep."
Hey MAXICREEP, who else you playing for a dupe?
HR has been right all along about our friend. YA'all might want to consider doing some research. This clown doesn't even hide his game. Do your own research, he's not hard to find. He/it is probably running several of these under different headings. Willy was right about this piece of dirt. This entity gloats all over this site about playing HR.
We've been had.
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 9:59 pm hybridrogue1
Nurse Rached,
I didn't "attack" Boomer for Kryste sake!
He asked what I thought. That's what I thought.
I did not and do not mean insult to Boomer…it is YOU JG who is hot to interpret everything I say that way.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 10:08 pm hybridrogue1
Did you really take offense at what I said?
I have always considered you my friend, and have never found you so thin skinned as to take things like that as personal insults.
I think the sequence of events is pretty clear here. I posted one post that was meant as my last. and then a follow up to you afterwards.
It was my discovery later in the day that there was a rumble in the shadows at Prologue. For my own protection I brought that here because I wanted all of COTO to be aware of that – as JG threatened me in the first "I've had enough of this bs" comment she made.
At any rate, I am still disappointed that so few here can make out that the proximate cause here is the badger.
The trip with JG could have cooled with time, but adding that sick hyena to the mix here is like throwing gasoline on fire.
At any rate, I mean no insult to you brother.
I mean insult to Maxitwat with extreme prejudice.
And I want JG to stay off of my ass.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 10:24 pm hybridrogue1
The above is addressed to Boomer,
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 10:24 pm jerseyg
V, you don't get it. This is NOT about Senor. Who he is or who he isn't. It's not about their constant yammering over 9/11 and how the buildings fell. Who fuckin cares? Not me. It's about HR's behavior towards fellow coto members. It's about his attitude, dude, get it? I don't care if Senor is Cass Sunstein himself ! Senor isn't the one chasing away new members with his nasty comments. the Wizard of Whitten has shown himself to the people of this blog. He's been exposed as a mean spirited , narcissistic person that can dish it out but can't take it. His delusions of grandeur that he has consistently displayed here have worn thin on many.
Oh btw, If Senor is an "agent" than it appears the only one here that has been played is Mr Rogue himself by continually "engaging him in battle." How ridiculous does he look if that is the case when it's HR that looks like a hysterical child posting and reposting the same conversations they have for all to see? BORING. He hasn't even noticed that no one cares !
ALso, can you please post the link where you found that comment from Mr Bridges? I'd like to do my own investigation. What you posted sounds more like a sarcastic remark made to someone that may have pissed him off. He does have that nature. As for me being duped? Nope… I just let the man post his replies to the grand Wizard of Whitten since an argument is what that man seems to live for. WW is obsessed with Senor.
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 10:39 pm hybridrogue1
Aww brother,
Just fuckin' amazing! I didn't mean any insult to Boomer! He asked what I thought about what he said. I answered honestly.
I don't think he took insult at it, JG just wants to interpret anything I say now in the worst possible light.
Her bias is shining as obvious as a 20 karat diamond right now.
All this self righteous stomping around here…and claiming at the same time we should drop it. WTF???
After you Madam!
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 10:45 pm hybridrogue1
You the COTO cops JG?
Why don't you let Boomer say if he was all that insulted?
You wanna drop this or not. My words to Boomer were not made to hurt. You're the one with the bleeding wound over the Ouija board thing, while you claim you don't hold grudges.
Why don't you lead by example and shut the fuck up yourself?
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:00 pm hybridrogue1
"My Refrito Bandito Friendito?!"
Too much Boom? No!! I like the way it rolls off the tongue.!
I don't think you are as uptight about this as JG is making out.
She is the one that is uptight…she's lit up like a road flare!!
Eyeee carumba!!
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:19 pm hybridrogue1
"What you posted sounds more like a sarcastic remark made to someone that may have pissed him off."~JG
Oh I see, an 'innocent' "sarcastic remark" from the Maxitwat, that would be interpreted as a 'death threat' if it came from me here.
You are the one on the warpath sister, this whole trip is twisted bullshit.
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:27 pm hybridrogue1
Fine Nurse Rached,
I will bow out and no longer be posting on current threads here.
You got COTO all to your own satisfaction sister.
I will tend to my own little garden at Prologue.
Y'all have fun now, Y'hear!!
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+++++ 2013-09-11 at 11:43 pm jerseyg
That's a very good idea, Wiz but keep in mind, I will still be monitoring your comments. I'll be looking for anything of a derogatory nature about myself or any other member of coto. Lemme see.. yes, the DELETE button is right here ;)
+++++ 2013-09-11 at 6:31 am veritable1
This has turned into a never ending circle jerk. No need for any kind of reply, I'm out of here.
2013-09012 at 11:37 am hybridrogue1
REMEMBER COTO:
BIG SISTER IS WATCHING YOU
"That's a very good idea, Wiz but keep in mind, I will still be monitoring your comments. I'll be looking for anything of a derogatory nature about myself or any other member of coto. Lemme see.. yes, the DELETE button is right here ;) "~ jerseyg on September 11, 2013 at 11:43 pm
With all of the talk talk on COTO deploring Authoritarianism, COTO finds itself under the yoke of that very same phenomena.
All this jabber about 'civility' is just a cover for our dear Lady of the Vengeful Sword — the real issue is that I have challenged her authority.
And if COTO actually had the vision to see THE OBVIOUS they would all take this as an insult become injury to their own sovereign rights to free speech and expression.
This insistence that this is now JG's blog to run as she sees fit is no different than the arbitrary totalitarianism we have complained about taking over the nation.
It is in defending the rights of those you disagree with that is the mark of one who understands the Rights of Liberty. Any mob of halfwits can congratulate themselves on how much they love freedom while they crucify dissenters.
I have no more interest nor motivation to interact with a warden such as JG, she can rule the rest of this place with an iron fist, and she can even seek me out in my private ashram here and delete this post, but she will only prove my points by such arbitrary uses of power as she has illegitimately taken into her own hands.
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2013-09-12 at 1:27 pm
It is known as:
FULL SPECTRUM DEFIANCE
A response to totalitarianism on any and all levels
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"~Sandino
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http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/big-sister-is-watching-you/
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 8:32 am jerseyg
{Directed at Mr. Rogue.}
Go die somewhere else. Go to T&S and set up permanent residence.
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 10:36 am Señor El Once
T&S is not COTO; it is Mr. McKee's blog. Mr. Rogue doesn't even have what it takes to be a guest writer for a top-level article over there.
But to your point, Ms. JerseyG and speaking about blogs, Mr. Rogue does have one. In fact, instead of posting new articles here of this back-handed nature, he should post them on his blog.
And as an added benefit, if Mr. Rogue were to post comments on those new articles on his blog THAT I AM NOT SUBSCRIBED TO, why, I wouldn't even know (instantly via email).
And now that Mr. Rogue can avail himself of ARTICLES that he controls iron-fistedly like a nurse ratchet on his blog, he maybe ought to stop polluting things like PROLOGUE and Carnival d'Maxfuckanus with his dribble. In the case of the former, trimming the comments to get it back to the relevant COTO point could go a long way. In the case of the latter, the DELETE button is right there but he is cautioned to do himself a favor and mine it for nuggets of truth first. Put those nuggets into two piles: one relating to me and one not. I'm sure he'll see that the pile relating to me when amassed together like that, probably isn't worth much. Should he proceed in re-purposing either pile, he ought to consider to CONTROL whether it is public or PRIVATE.
With any luck, we'll be able to teach that old dog new tricks.
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+++++ 2013-09-12 at 11:52 am jerseyg
When I suggested that he go to T&S it was with the knowledge that he will not get away with his vile comments on that blog. Mr McKee keeps a very close eye on such things and surely keeps the delete/ban button handy. So much for HR's freedom to act out like a petulant child when someone dare question his own truth.
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 12:25 pm Señor El Once
I think Mr. Rogue having a hobby to fill his retirement time is an excellent idea. I don't want it to be T&S, because he floods, overwhelms, and has — not a "hair-pin trigger" but — a "locking trigger" that stubbornly once triggered, can't release no matter what the math, science, logistics, etc. might suggest otherwise.
I encourage his hobby on his blog.
Although Mr. Rogue will skew it as me being directly responsible for the souring of his tour on COTO, I am really just a tiny burr under his saddle that brings out the donkey farts & kicks that were always in him and that others have experienced.
I have been most grateful for his participation on T&S and his unwitting help in strengthening my arguments.
Off of my hobby horse (or me), such a small percentage of his banter is disagreeable. However upon reflection, a great percentage of his banter isn't of weight: some thought-provoking quote or passage from his current readings; some back-slapping of the regulars; a "looney" PR jibe to anything I write; a response to nearly everyone as if he were assigned the role of Walmart greeter at T&S to water down the discussion.
But I have to admit that I will be ROFLMAO should he get banned from either one (or both), and it would be his own undoing, cuz he doesn't care what anyone else thinks about him and he acts accordingly.
Meanwhile I can chuckle that this very article might become the 3rd article in COTO's history to merit searching for the DELETE button (by design, eh?)
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x191 Señor El Once : so easy to catch
2013-09-11
{This was not posted to COTO or T&S.}
Mr. Rogue is so easy to catch playing cheating and lying games [2013-09-11 at 6:31 am].
I am not going to make an argument back to the unspooling of utter bullshit twine from the Maxitwat. I will only say that every item that is mentioned in this insane and massive missive is given a true account of on Prologue.
No, the true account is not on Prologue, because his thread doesn't go back far enough in time and is a heavily edited, one-sided, re-written version. My history of purchasing copies of Dr. Wood's book, giving them to "leaders" of the 9/11 Truth Movement in exchange for their objective review, and making hay with the outcome pre-dates the gentleman's agreement with Mr. Rogue and foreshadowed the treatment he could expect from me if he was anything less than ethical. [Refer to 2012-06-04.] An email exchange between Mr. Rogue and me (and BCC'ed to a trusted third-party) on 2012-06-07 established the conditions of the gentleman's agreement. Relevant portions of that email exchange were re-purposed into a public posting [2012-09-25] when Mr. Rogue's weasel-spots began to really show. Mr. Rogue did not dispute the reproduction of that email exchange. [And if he would have been so foolish, the BCC'ed party would have publicly corrected the record.]
[2012-09-25] SEO to Mr. Rogue: And you can bet that if you accept it and default on the conditions, I'll use it as a well-spent cheap excuse to (figuratively) bloody your nose again and again on the theme of Dr. Wood...
Conditions:
- You will give Dr. Wood's textbook an objective and thorough [cover-to-cover] reading.
- You will share your good, bad, and ugly reviews. If the "good" is missing, I clobber you with your own copy.
- If pressed in debate (e.g., on Truth & Shadows), the good, bad, and ugly reviews will extend down to the chapter level. Again, if the good is missing, I clobber you.
- If the book is found worthy, you are to pay-it-forward (or loan/give your copy) to someone else influential in the 9/11 discussion (or leadership).
- If the book is found totally unworthy at the end of your reading, then you should probably give it to someone who will appreciate it.
[2013-09-11] Mr. Rogue continues with his bluffing bluster:
If anyone really gives a flying flip about this whole affair I suggest they study the entity's encyclopedic blabbergrind, and go through my explanations of what really happened at Prologue.
SPOILER ALERT: When interested readers call Mr. Rogue's bluff and compare the record from Truth & Shadows [2012-09-25] with Mr. Rogue's famous Prologue, it'll be clear to them "what really happened" and "who lacks integrity." I'll be vindicated for my character assessment of Mr. Rogue involving the words and their variants of "liar", "cheater", and "weasel".
Speaking of which, here is another cheating lie from Mr. Rogue [2013-09-11 at 11:11 am]:
Maxitwat calls me a liar for pointing out that his/her article is the only one ever axed by the management, then his "proof" is that Veritable's attempt to access it pulls up the [ERROR 404 – FILE NOT FOUND] message page – which is exactly what you get when trying to pull up an article that no longer exists: BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DELETED!
No, that wasn't my "proof" at all, and Mr. Rogue is purposely misremembering the sequence of events. My version of Mr. Rogue's "G.P." was [SEO] composed, [SEO] published, [SEO] comment-controlled, and [JerseyG] deleted on 2013-03-06. Mr. Veritable attempted a day later on 2013-03-07 a second, skewed, incomplete, lame re-creation of the same in a venue where he controlled the comments -- [V] composed/published of [Rogue] comments rescued from auto-emails of [SEO] version. [JerseyG] deleted it, too. Mr. Veritable and Ms. JerseyG, being active players in this, will vouch for this sequence of events. Ergo, Mr. Rogue's cheat fails, and he remains a liar for stating that my article (that was designed from the onset for a short, published life and its fate) "was the only COTO article to be removed by COTO admins."
Mr. Rogue triple-cheats on 2013-09-11 at 11:57 am:
This is the URL where the debate over Judy Woowoo's 'crank-science' was under debate. If you go to this page you will see that the moderator and author of the story being discussed, states quite clearly that one doesn't have to have THE BOOK in order to participate in the discussion. It is only in Maxitwats fevered imagination that it is reframed as "writing book reports".
[Cheat #1] Mr. Rogue's URL doesn't tell the whole story, because that thread does not document the email exchanges behind-the-scenes. The email exchange came to light on another thread on Truth & Shadows [2012-09-25] when Mr. Rogue's weasel-spots were showing.
[Cheat #2] Although the author and moderator said that the book was not required, Mr. Rogue -- as the most vocal commentator & Dr. Wood critic on that thread -- needed to be held to a higher standard of using the most up-to-date verbiage from Dr. Wood, which was her book.
[Cheat #3] For all of Mr. Rogue's weaseling and distracting regarding the extent of overlap between a book and a website and whether or not the book was even needed: the fact remains that Mr. Rogue stepped through (a) neither the book (b) nor the website point-by-point to address all of the evidence and/or Woodsian analysis for good, bad, and ugly.
Mr. Rogue's cheating and lying continue:
I have stated several times in the comments above how it was that I offered the BOOK back to the Señora, and how the Señora refused its return (in perfect condition). I explained that the deal made was conducted under false pretenses, that there was nothing in the book that was new. Maxitwat would not accept return and therefore forfeits any and all obligation I may have once had.
Note the "false pretenses" cheat and distraction. It is immaterial whether Mr. Rogue -- who never finished reading the book before violently destroying it -- felt that the book had anything new compared to the website. Neither have received an objective and thorough review, which was the entire point of the exercise that he welched on.
The conditions of the transaction were explicitly spelled out and agreed to by both parties before anything was ordered and shipped. Nowhere in those conditions was a provision to "send the book back". I already have a copy, and return of the book to me would have added nothing to the discussion. Pass-it-along or pay-it-forward were clearly stated and repeated publicly well before the violent defacing occurred.
In addition, well before the gentleman's agreement was presented to Mr. Rogue, he had been made aware of how I had used this book as an integrity test on other "leaders" or influential people in 9/11 discussions. I couldn't get any clearer in exposing my future playbook for Mr. Rogue than these two lines from the paragraph in front of the conditions: "And you can bet that if you accept it and default on the conditions, I'll use it as a well-spent cheap excuse to (figuratively) bloody your nose again and again on the theme of Dr. Wood." Mr. Rogue was not true to his word by any measure, but I was to mine.
Mr. Rogue continues with his integrity-damning cheating & lying [2013-09-11 at 3:10 pm]:
I have no contract with Maxitwat, I have no obligation to argue anything with the entity.
He did, but now he doesn't, because I have released him of his obligation to me. If any obligation persists, it is one owed to his God (Truth), his neighbor (COTO & T&S), and himself (to regain his integrity.)
When I offered the book back, in prime condition, and the entity refused that return for the purpose of retaining a contract, that I hold is based in false representation of the book under discussion – the entity's position became an unjustified lean.
If Mr. Rogue wants to get all legal and technical, he never finished reading the book and no longer has the book, so he has no basis to claim any "false representation."
Furthermore, whereas I have little doubt that the book would have been returned to me in good condition despite Mr. Rogue's dire financial conditions at the time, I also have little doubt -- owing to Mr. Rogue's proven lack of integrity -- that Mr. Rogue would have exploited this "snail-mail information" to attack me personally by publishing my real name and address. This distrust was well-founded and exhibited until recently on Prologue by unauthorized postings containing my email address and my IP address, in addition to the many variants (e.g., "Maxitwat") of the pen-name I don't use in forums.
Maxitwat could have redeemed his "losses" completely, but refused to do so.
Mr. Rogue could have redeemed the "losses" to his integrity completely with a lame-ass book report of the form: "Section N of Chapter A has B good, C bad, and D ugly. And here's why... Section M of Chapter A has BB good, CC bad, and DD ugly. And here's why... " etc.
It was all about getting him onto the same literal page to discuss matters point-by-point in a rational manner.
The history of this deal coming into being is clear and in the public record. The entity's representations of the product offered can be shown to be utterly fraudulent.
Completely irrelevant to the larger assignment of objectively and thoroughly evaluating the body of evidence conveniently published in Dr. Wood's book.
The Maxitwat itself cannot even provide a clear example of what is substantively unique to the Book in comparison to what is provided on the website of the author of the book. It is the entity's responsibility to prove the case that the book is unique, rather than mine to make an argument of nonexistence; onus probandi.
Completely irrelevant.
- [2012-02-16] SEO to Mr. Rogue: "Dr. Wood's website has not been thoroughly debunked. ... In order for it to be thoroughly debunked, the debunker would have to go through image-by-image and state what is wrong with each and her questions. This, nobody has done."
- [2012-02-17] SEO to Mr. Rogue: "Although the above applies to the website, some themes from her website are re-purposed in her book. So, if nobody or nothing old has debunked her website image-by-image, then that same nothingness is incapable of addressing the overlap that is in her book. "
- [2012-06-08] SEO to Mr. Salt and that Mr. Rogue was following: "If you have read her book and her website, you would know that there is significant overlap between the two, although the website has more errors, is more disorganized, and can't be considered Dr. Wood's final word."
Ergo, if any such alleged responsibility existed on my part to document difference between the book and website, it was met long before Mr. Rogue received his copy.
Now, the strength of my argument is that I had already made a sufficient argument against the Wood hypothesis prior to receiving the book.
Actually, this is a glaring weakness in Mr. Rogue's argument, and a bold-faced lie. Were it a strength (or even true), he would have URL links to his thorough debunking -- page-by-page, point-by-point, image-by-image -- of Dr. Wood's website. Were this assertion true, that prior work would have been an excellent foundation for the objective and thorough review expected by the gentleman's agreement. It would have been "a slam dunk."
Of course, an oft noted flaw in Mr. Rogue's cheating debate techniques is the balderdash lie to avoid detailed discussions -- "I have discussed this in detail on another carousel" -- when in fact he had not and had nothing (no URLs or anything) to substantiate the claim.
I therefore owe no further argument on this head. I determined his assertion of "good, bad, and ugly" in Wood's work is misrepresentation, in that it is in the main substantively "ugly", ei, disinformation.
As dissected above, cheating Mr. Rogue is manufacturing the perceived misrepresentation today. Whether or not the overall conclusions roll out that "[Wood's work] is in the main substantively "ugly", i.e., disinformation", Mr. Rogue [with my help] had the charge to do this legitimately, chapter-by-chapter (if not point-by-point) with the specific injuncture to preserve the good, however few and far between it may be.
At this point, I catch a hypnotic quote from Mr. Rogue, re-package it, and lob it back:
This is only one of the most obvious of this [Rogue] lunatic's crankdangdoodles, but all of this [Rogue] entity's other tales of villainy and dishonesty are equally as false and misleading as this.
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x192 Coalition of the Obvious : Go die somewhere else
2013-09-12
{This article was taken down on 2013-09-13, so "big-sister" links will no longer work.}
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 8:32 am jerseyg
{Directed at Mr. Rogue.}
Go die somewhere else. Go to T&S and set up permanent residence.
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 10:36 am Señor El Once
T&S is not COTO; it is Mr. McKee's blog. Mr. Rogue doesn't even have what it takes to be a guest writer for a top-level article over there.
But to your point, Ms. JerseyG and speaking about blogs, Mr. Rogue does have one. In fact, instead of posting new articles here of this back-handed nature, he should post them on his blog.
And as an added benefit, if Mr. Rogue were to post comments on those new articles on his blog THAT I AM NOT SUBSCRIBED TO, why, I wouldn't even know (instantly via email).
And now that Mr. Rogue can avail himself of ARTICLES that he controls iron-fistedly like a nurse ratchet on his blog, he maybe ought to stop polluting things like PROLOGUE and Carnival d'Maxfuckanus with his dribble. In the case of the former, trimming the comments to get it back to the relevant COTO point could go a long way. In the case of the latter, the DELETE button is right there but he is cautioned to do himself a favor and mine it for nuggets of truth first. Put those nuggets into two piles: one relating to me and one not. I'm sure he'll see that the pile relating to me when amassed together like that, probably isn't worth much. Should he proceed in re-purposing either pile, he ought to consider to CONTROL whether it is public or PRIVATE.
With any luck, we'll be able to teach that old dog new tricks.
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+++++ 2013-09-12 at 11:52 am jerseyg
When I suggested that he go to T&S it was with the knowledge that he will not get away with his vile comments on that blog. Mr McKee keeps a very close eye on such things and surely keeps the delete/ban button handy. So much for HR's freedom to act out like a petulant child when someone dare question his own truth.
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 12:25 pm Señor El Once
I think Mr. Rogue having a hobby to fill his retirement time is an excellent idea. I don't want it to be T&S, because he floods, overwhelms, and has — not a "hair-pin trigger" but — a "locking trigger" that stubbornly once triggered, can't release no matter what the math, science, logistics, etc. might suggest otherwise.
I encourage his hobby on his blog.
Although Mr. Rogue will skew it as me being directly responsible for the souring of his tour on COTO, I am really just a tiny burr under his saddle that brings out the donkey farts & kicks that were always in him and that others have experienced.
I have been most grateful for his participation on T&S and his unwitting help in strengthening my arguments.
Off of my hobby horse (or me), such a small percentage of his banter is disagreeable. However upon reflection, a great percentage of his banter isn't of weight: some thought-provoking quote or passage from his current readings; some back-slapping of the regulars; a "looney" PR jibe to anything I write; a response to nearly everyone as if he were assigned the role of Walmart greeter at T&S to water down the discussion.
But I have to admit that I will be ROFLMAO should he get banned from either one (or both), and it would be his own undoing, cuz he doesn't care what anyone else thinks about him and he acts accordingly.
Meanwhile I can chuckle that this very article might become the 3rd article in COTO's history to merit searching for the DELETE button (by design, eh?)
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+++++ 2013-09-12 at 2:22 pm Puddy Dunne
To Mr. Eleven SENOR ELONCE
What are your interests and endeavors other than pursuing Hybrid Rogue? Why are you here other than to shadow his movement and frequency?
How about a little information from you on another topic? What do you do that has you traveling around Massachusetts, Colorado and Argentina?
Do you have any opinions about Boston Bombing or Aurora Shooting? What's of interest in Argentina? What about the ship of arms and covert equipment the Argetinians confiscated from the US a few years ago. Were they planning a coup?
Tell us. You are a spook aren;'t you?
Fill us in a little. Coto minds want to know
+++++ 2013-09-12 at 4:07 pm Señor El Once
Dear Mr. Dunne, been snooping IP addresses, eh? I work in a remote office (CO) and have our network traffic routed through the mother corporation (MA). My better half hails from a land down under. I expressed views on Sandy Hook, Boston, and Aurora that question the official story. In the case of SH, I've seen how some of the OCT debunkers were worthy of being debunked themselves by pulling some of the same lame tricks as September Clues in their faulty video analysis (and being too ignorant to understand even when explained how camera angles affect perspective.) Don't get me wrong. Media manipulation happened and happens. In fact I saw it first hand at the club at my early morning workout morning after Aurora: eleven televisions across from my treadmill covering FOX, CNN, etc. plus local (CO) news, and the same exact "live" or "quasi-live" air footage was fed full-screen or picture-in-picture, but with banners and logos only giving themselves credit. But hey, I make no beans about the fact that I'm primarily a one-trick pony rider with regards to 9/11 nukes, cuz I got a life. Sometimes I gotta focus.
My pursuit of Mr. Rogue? Ha. The real questions are why he pursues my hobby-horse topic, why he promotes lame theories that math and science and evidence don't fully support, why he won't acknowledge when the legs to his arguments get cut from underneath him (by rational discussion), why he won't admit to the purposeful skewing of the "established 9/11 TM" sources on which he relies, and why he so frequently succumbs to jejune and immature tactics (and hypnotic PR)?
You don't know it, but it is as if I've had my own personal agent assigned to me for the last 1-1/2 years on T&S whose primary task was to make at least one posting (in many cases multiple) for every one of mine and to PR frame me or my nuclear cause as looney. Lord knows, I did everything in my power including plunking down my credit card to get us onto the same "literal" page so that evidence could be discussed in a rational manner. Together, we could have taken down Dr. Wood legitimately, point-by-point, while preserving that which merited such. Agreeable to an agenda I assume, any attempt to rescue good nuggets of truth from any deemed disinfo source was a no-no. Which is why in his thoroughly welching on the gentleman's agreement, he violently defaced that same book thinking it would stop the figurative bloody noses. For all his belly-aching about how bad the book was, he never offered any specifics on exactly WHAT was bad (or what was good) (from book or website), and lies through his teeth (just a day or two ago) about how he supposedly debunked a website with much of the same content (but actually, in studying it today, I found different and important things deserving of a study with a nuclear bent.)
The reason Mr. Rogue was so uncharacteristically frantically unhinged when I came here, is that I have the talent to call him on his shit (in my hobby-horse area). The flaws in his integrity get exposed big time. I owe Mr. Rogue a debt of gratitude for helping me strengthen my arguments. But as my arguments grew stronger, his grew weaker, forcing him to reach more and more into his bag of subtle lies and cheats and carousel games. At some point, the games get old, and the weasel needs to be run down (figuratively) where he lives (COTO) and taken down legitimately, so truth can flourish elsewhere.
I'd be happy to leave COTO immediately (my articles excluded) if he'd leave T&S, but it is a deal he is unlikely to accept. I'd even be willing to amend it to me him never again posting "looney"-style pot-shots against me or my hobby-horse here or there. (Reasoned and sourced pot-shots is another matter.) But it is a challenge he'd eventually fail at.
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x193 Puddy Dunne : Don't let the Maxitwat get the best of you
2013-09-11
2012-09-11 at 10:08 pm
By: Puddy Dunne on September 11, 2013 at 10:08 pm
I saw the Rense Supertramp post. Thanks.
I think it's very important for people to understand the Vortex. 3-9-6 is no joke or passing fancy. It's going to eventually explain it all from ET to the Bible Code. It is where Tesla met GOD and everything changed. (for him)
When he died penniless, he was richer than 99% of the people that have come after him. We will know this soon Boomer, my friend.
Now to my other friend, Rogue, Don't let the Maxitwat get the best of you, lest you end up with a large maxipad to sop up the infection. Let's let the healing happen and not fall into Cinderfella's syndrome.
We know like, the vortex, the truth on JFK and 911 are scattered from Alpha to Omega and their are a thousand ways to die under WMD. On the Anniversary, it would be something if we can all KNOW what it was not and agree on that tonight.
2013-09-12 at 11:24 am Señor El Once
By: Señor El Once on September 12, 2013 at 11:24 am
You're confusing the readers. Use the SEO alias that I use here or a variation thereof. For you to be bantering about a derogatory variation of something else reflects double poorly for allowing the confusion and the unsupportable derision.
And as much as I know you don't like thinking about me, for the little bit that you have, ask yourself if you got your impression about me from explicitly what **I** wrote here (or in other places where you've chanced upon me)? Or did you get it from many uncharacteristicly unhinged dire warning from an otherwise stalwart & "wise" COTO regular who may have tainted the waters?
Look on the right-hand side to find my articles and my comments underneath. Make your true impression from the source. I'm a one-trick 9/11 pony rider for sure, but that doesn't make me all bad or worthy of the persistent PR campaign that slaps the COTO ROE in the face.
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2013-09-13 at 9:35 am
By: Puddy Dunne on September 13, 2013 at 9:35 am
You will have to follow him elsewhere. I'll be glad to see you go Maximus pain in the Assus.
2013-09-13 at 10:27 am
By: Señor El Once on September 13, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dear Mr. Dunne,
Other than addressing you with "dear", what have I ever done or said to you that would give you such an impression? Specific URLs, please.
Now if it turns out that you are referencing the ruckus stirred up by Mr. Rogue over my activity here, put that into perspective with regards to who manufactured what, who hyped what, who was setting off back-channel alarms, who led the charge to have me moderated and contained (at the onset) for the dastardly things I was expected to say: all of which upon inspection was not exhibited by me. But if you disagree, specific URLs, please.
That way I will know what I should reflect upon and possibly make public apologies for.
And if there is more to your side of the story for me giving you aches in your glutious maximus (e.g., hot-and-heavy off-list COTO committee meetings), please share the details so that I can publicly apologize for that hardship, too.
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x194 Adam Ruff : a real truther we should all try to emulate
OSS,
I have been reading these posts of yours as they have gone up and have been carefully considering the points you have made throughout the entire vetting process. I am now totally comfortable in saying that Barbara Honegger is intentionally putting out disinformation and actively trying to obfuscate what happened at the pentagon. I now place her in the same category as Morgan Reynolds with his Hollogram theories and Judy Wood with her bogus DEW theories. I have no further use for miss Honegger and do not consider her to be a real truther. In fact I consider her to be an exposed operative who is actively trying to confuse and divide the truth movement.
Your work is invaluable OSS and I really appreciate it. I only wish I had the time and patience to do more of the same kind of work you have done with Honegger. Well done I tip my hat to you OSS. You are an example of a real truther we should all try to emulate.
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