Spire of Inner-Core Expiring into Dust

The spire of inner-core expiring into dust was probably God himself giving us a smoking gun to wake us up, to ask questions, and to find the God's honest truth about 9/11.

At least come up to speed with the latest gov't 9/11 Coincidence Theory

Yellow Q-drops:

The Real Trolls are the Conspiracy Mongers... It never occurs to them that cutting away walls, insulation, plumbing and electrical conduits in order to place controlled demolition changes on the towers structural columns in advance would not have gone unnoticed. Furthermore, no recorded evidence of explosions prior to the tower collapses by any of the several demolition firms in Manhatten operating sensitive seismographs at other sites in the city exist.

It never occurs to the 9/11 Coincidence Theorists that there is more than one way to destroy a building. With a few trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon on 9/10/2001, you'd think they could invest in wireless technology and exotic explosives (and/or even exotic space-based star wars technology and/or Haitian HAARP) which do not impose the same requirements as "standard" controlled demolitions (CD). If all you are focused on are standard/typical things, all you will see (or not) are what you looked for.

That was the problem with the initial NIST reports on the collapse of the WTC towers: they ruled out CD for superficial reasons, came up with a marginally plausible excuse *only* for the initiation of the collapse based on airplanes, and ignored the rest of the collapse and its glaring anomolies.

FTR, the tenants of an under-occupied structure would not necessarily have to note anything that you point out. New tenants come and go. Renovation work was ongoing. Contractors and vendors are a common site. Few still would notice those on the graveyard shift. Plus, evidence of overnight construction was seen by tenants in the form of rapidly accumulating dust in the offices.

I believe there is recorded evidence of explosions. You better check your facts and provide video links to support your assertions.

Yellow Q-drops:

The "squibs" are easily explained by floors collapsing emitting debris. A buildup of pressure caused by the compression of air between the floors as they "pancaked" most likely cause the appearance of squibs. Furthermore, videos of the "explosion" show it increasing in intensity with time which is opposite of the way a real explosive detonation works which is to diminish after the initial charge is set off.

Sorry. This explanation is no longer the fable in popular favor even by NIST. You are behind the times and debunk yourself. In plain English, the floors did not "pancake" and the squibs were not caused by compressed air between floors, and you'll find nothing of the sort supported by any (more recent) NIST reports. The squibs, however, can still be explained by CD, as can the pulverization of the concrete, the horizontal ejection of steel and materials at high velocities, etc.

Yellow Q-drops:

Finally, there was virtually no concrete in the towers which were constructed entirely of steel bolts, trusses and columns none of which could hold up without the support of the others to which they were linked making the collapse of a few columns all that was needed to take down the buildings.

Pulled that one out of your butt, did you?

In the future, please do some research and substantiate your claims with links. In this case, you'll find (even in the pictures of the construction of the towers) that they were composed of substantial amounts of concrete.

Even before (or without) the wars, what were the immediate gains of 9/11?

[B]lowing the buildings up with explosives would be highly unnecessary to accomplish support for a war in the Middle East; the planes hitting the towers would certainly have been sufficient...

You're right. If a permanent military presence in the Middle East were the sole goal, the hijacked crashing planes would have been sufficient to motivate the public into supporting that action.

But what if one of the main goals really was the destruction of almost the entire WTC complex, the important records that were stored there, as well as the Office of Naval Intelligence in the Pentagon that was, ... oh, ... digging up dirt on the G.H.W.Bush administration?

What if the first goal was covering the tracks of their misdeeds in the past and using the shock-and-awe and misguided patriotism to spin it and rouse the nation into supporting even greater misdeeds? What if there were a way for this to cost them nothing, but to make money: through insurance claims, war-profiteering, and contracts and shoddy oversight of such contracts in the invaded nations?

Of course, you can't just destroy whole buildings and Pentagon wings without arousing suspicion. Get some airliners involved to give a plausible explanation for the "initiation of the collapse" (which was coincidentally, by the way, how the scope of NIST investigation into the towers collapsing on 9/11 was limited) and to add an element of "this could have been you flying", and you've got made to order fear that can be spun into overdrive to passing -- unread -- a massive piece of legislation named The USA PATRIOT ACT in just over a month.

"[N]ot only were the buildings targets, but ... specific offices within each building were the designated targets. ... [T]he attacks of September 11th were intended to cover-up the clearing of $240 billion dollars in securities covertly created in September 1991 to fund a covert economic war against the Soviet Union, during which 'unknown' western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry, with a focus on oil and gas. The attacks of September 11th also served to derail multiple Federal investigations away from crimes associated with the 1991 covert operation.

~ E. P. Heidner Collateral Damage of 9/11 (PDF)

Q-BoughtBot, Q-BoughtBot, Q-BoughtBot...

As much as I like the Q-dip and Q-drop references, I'm just now connecting a Q-dot that leads to the christening of brand new names.

"BoughtBill" and "EncinoBought"

Why?

Because if they are real people, they've been bought. They're doing their job; it's just business, nothing personal. They have their disinformation assignment, and don't get in their way.

Of course, when you speak their names out loud, what do you get?

bot-bil and en-see-no-bot, which give their new names another dimension and reality.

Until recently, I hadn't really considered that I was dealing with bot-bil, but it could explain many things.

I admit that when I've honed a good sentence or paragraph, I'll re-use it. But it'll be surrounded by other original text.

The problem with BoughtBill's postings is that far too many are high-percentage repeats from his Oracle database.

One class is his re-posting of debunking sources. On the surface, this could be an acceptable re-use. Except, the source material does not always apply. Worse, he's been caught in not understanding what the source material says, thereby debunking his debunk.

Another class are his flame wars, where his insults have been around the block too many times. I don't know how many 4 sentence (or less) postings from him (including subject) that I've seen where the only uniqueness to the posting was which 3 sentences were randomly chosen and in what order.

It is interesting to copy a sentence from his postings, enclose it in double-quotes, shove that into the AlterNet search, and see what comes up. For longer posts, he might tailor an intro or concluding sentence, but that's about it.

GuitarBill starts to resemble more and more BoughtBill, even if a Q-dip human handler exists behind the scenes to approve and tweak the posting from the database suggested by some algorithm according to certain keywords, themes, and opponents as flagged by NSA's carnivore program for response.

Too often particularly when losing, BoughtBill's rebuttal is simply to call the opponent a liar (or Nazi or anti-semetic) on the subject line, accuse them of changing the subject, change the subject, and conclude with more insults.

Bots don't have emotions. They don't have morals. They don't tire of going over the same ground, the same argument, the same points over-and-over. They'll store up weaknesses on their opponents (like personal details) and exploit those mercilessly again and again. Remove their postings or ban them? They don't care. As bots with the means to generate email addresses and IP addresses, they can keep coming back. Worse, such random creation of on-the-fly credentials can be targeted against opponents in a campaign to get them banned.

Final bit of circumstantial evidence? Just to stay abreast of the articles here is a big time commitment. To be active in the comments can be a huge time suck. To take on all who mention 9/11, Israel, or [assigned topic] in an unflattering manner with respect to any recent administration without impacting gainful employment and a personal life, that can only be achieved by a BoughtBot paid-to-post instigator.

~TwentyTen

I demand the database entry on the physics of the spire expiring into dust...

If we were dealing with a real person instead of a "composite persona GuitarBill" manned by a team, we could have expected a correction to the free-fall physics entry in the NSA Oracle database as early as April, when it was first pointed out and before he re-posted the error four times (thereby retro-actively losing those discussions, if he hadn't already lost them.) Whether or not we give one of the GuitarBill team members credit for having the supposed Master of Arts in Mathematics and "minor in Physics" (-- what was the undergraduate major: music? --), the retention of said education is what is questioned.

No, I expect that if we were to ask GuitarBill to post the appropriate corrections to his free-fall physics (F in Math, F in Physics, and B done with me please), we'd get the exact same error-filled database entry re-posted here, because no-one on the team populating the database has gotten around to fixing it.

Giving credit where credit is due, GuitarBill probably does have enough brain cells to fix on-the-fly the numerous errors. The only problem is that even fixed, his conclusions were crap. Sure, WTC-1/2 did not fall exactly at free-fall acceleration, but they fell within the margin of error and certainly at an acceleration significantly faster than the inherent resistance of the structure should have allowed, as calculated, predicted, and designed by competent architects and civil engineers.

Don't expect GuitarBill to have physics equations or NIST supporting documents to explain the spire of inner-core expiring into dust, which was probably God himself giving us a smoking gun to wake us up, to ask questions, and to find the God's honest truth about 9/11.

Could that spire (and the towers that surrounded it) have been "vibrated" into dust by HAARP, just like theories claim its directed vibration energies could have caused Haiti earthquakes? Don't know, but it is worthy to consider, as is re-considering Dr. Judy Wood.

Google Videos of "HAARP Haiti"

Haiti EarthQuake H.A.A.R.P 2010

Relating back to the premise of the article and as another Q-drop, Prophit1 was banned from AlterNet for harping about HAARP, Haiti, and the military forces we are planting there.

And why? Could it be hurricanes, flu shots, earthquakes, global warming, and other natural disasters to one day achieve goals of the Georgia Guidestones: "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"?

Don't know. Just sayin'...

~TwentyTen

A primer on Q-dots:

*singing* "Q-drops keep falling on my head..."

A primer on Q-dots:

• Operation Mockingbird: "was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence domestic and foreign media beginning in the 1950s."
• The PNAC manifesto "Rebuilding America's Defenses": "If outer space represents an emerging medium of warfare, then “cyberspace,” and in particular the Internet hold similar promise and threat. And as with space, access to and use of cyberspace and the Internet are emerging elements in global commerce, politics and power. Any nation wishing to assert itself globally must take account of this other new “global commons.” The Internet is also playing an increasingly important role in warfare and human political conflict... "
• "The Pentagon’s War on the Internet": "The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet... The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative..."
• "The US government has allegedly set up a special security wing (Q Group) with the sole task of distancing Washington from any involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks." According to investigative journalist Wayne Madsen
• Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist by H. Michael Sweeney: "Avoidance. Selectivity. Coincidental. Teamwork. Anti-conspiratorial. Artificial emotions. Inconsistent. Time constant."
• Obama confidant's spine-chilling proprosal by Glenn Greenwald: "Cass Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here. Sunstein advocates that the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." "
• GuitarBill's marching orders: "And remember, when you attack the Democratic party and attempt to demoralize president Obama's base, you will feel my boot in your backside.".
• GuitarBill's reaction in terms of frequency, distractions, spin, negativity, win-at-any-costs personal attacks, proven lies, and crafty-but-purposeful misdirection and how they increase for topics that make the administration, government, and those pulling their strings uncomfortable. The best defense (of lies and crap) is to be offensive.
• GuitarBill's little buddy, Gilligan... I mean, EncinoM? Enough said.

"By their fruits, ye shall know them." Don't step in the Q-droppings.

Nope, I cannot prove that the NSA Q Group exists. GuitarBill and EncinoM can and do.

~TwentyTen

Q-drops keep falling on my head...

We can't prove the Q Group exists. We can only shine lights on the Q-drops.

Both the referenced and original TwentyTen posting allude to exile-worthy postings from GuitarBill, a CISSP IT professional with a security clearance, who was championing the losing side of parallel 9/11 discussions. Thus, the resurrection from the dead of the GuitarBill alias becomes another Q-dot. Was the money he may have spent at The Stinkin' Rose on beer and dinner for JOSHUA HOLLAND's NSA recruitment sufficient to sway that Executive Managing Editor to overturn the banning decision of AlterNet's Moderator Committee? Or were 2 envelopes passed across the table as well: 1 with cash and 1 with compromising pictures of "A Boy and His Dog"?

To use GuitarBill's words, talk about "flipping the bird at the moderator and placing [himself] above the moderator's authority."

The question isn't "how many times has prophit been banned?", but "how many times has GuitarBill been justifiably banned and resurrected?"

A primer on Q-dots:

• Google "CIA Mockingbird".
• The PNAC manifesto "Rebuilding America's Defenses": "Control of space and cyberspace. [C]ontrol of the new "international commons" [will] be a key to world power in the future."
• "The Pentagon’s War on the Internet": "The War Dept. is planning to insert itself into every area of the internet... The objective is to challenge any tidbit of information that appears on the web that may counter the official narrative..."
• "The US government has allegedly set up a special security wing (Q Group) with the sole task of distancing Washington from any involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks." according to investigative journalist Wayne Madsen
• GuitarBill's marching orders: "And remember, when you attack the Democratic party and attempt to demoralize president Obama's base, you will feel my boot in your backside.".
• GuitarBill's reaction in terms of frequency, distractions, spin, negativity, win-at-any-costs personal attacks, proven lies, and crafty-but-purposeful misdirection and how they increase for topics that make the administration, government, and those pulling their strings uncomfortable. The best defense (of lies and crap) is to be offensive.

Nope, I cannot prove that the NSA Q Group exists. GuitarBill can and does.

~TwentyTen

Third Parties bring the gold to the Golden Age of accountability

Mr. Logan wrote:

"Given Obama and the Democratic leadership's catastrophic performance this past year, the Republicans will soon be back in power."

I'm reluctantly finding myself in agreement with your statements on catastrophic leadership performance. However, it does not have to be a foregone conclusion that this puts the Republicans back in power. With some intelligence and everybodies' collective elbow-grease in getting the word out, power could be yanked from the Democrats but not given to the Republicans (whose lock-step ruthlessness makes them worse)... No... Even a solid showing of 20-30% to one or more 3rd parties in Congress can tip the balance of power in governance towards a king making 3rd party, who will through their weight and votes around as they see fit when they sit fit (back-and-forth if need be) to get compromises and concessions back onto the table which the duopoly tends to sweep off.

Now is the time to investigate and support 3rd parties.

Mr. Logan wrote:

"And Repubs are far less reluctant to prosecute than the Democrats. I have no doubt the Jeb Bush Administration will investigate and prosecute the many crimes of the Obama Administration."

And continuing with the sarcasm, you can bet that the crimes of the Obama Administration that they will finally nail him to the cross with -- after spending millions to investigate -- won't be the Geitner/Gates continuance of fiscal and militaristic foreign policy started with saintly brother Dubya. No, it'll be something like Obama pulling a Tiger Woods as part of his daily gym workouts, lighting a cig after, and (occasionally) the CIA/Secret Service-provided inhaled-and-held blunt before.

This is, of course, after Jeb Bush has sealed into his presidential libraries all paper/electronic trails from both Dubya and Poppy, much like what Dubya did for Poppy, further delaying when their misdeeds will be completely exposed and judgment passed, probably long after they've expired from the planet.

Speaking of expiring, when do you think Obama will have NIST write up a cover-up for explaining this spire of inner-core expiring on 9/11 into dust?

Divide into 2: "Uncle Tom Obama" & "should get the boot"

Dear Mr. Yellows,

If we divide your subject line into two parts: (1) "Uncle Tom Obama" & (2) "should get the boot", I can understand the sentiments of the #2 part. As for #1, I think you're just taking a stick and poking us in the eye. It is rather racists and really has no bearing in this discussion (or any).

I mean, if Obama has sold out, he's sold out -- like many neocon (and other ilk of) criminals before him -- and his & their skin color had nothing to do with it, but rather the color of money lining their pockets.

"Enough already!"

Pay attention to and be part of 3rd parties, because they could become the king makers of government and force into being the practices and policies that we Americans expect of our elected officials.

You see, 3rd parties don't have to win the presidency, nor do their numbers in the House or Senate have to reach majorities. No. All 3rd parties have to do is gain significant numbers such that neither of the other two parties have a clear majority to govern, pass laws, approve budgets, confirm nominations, hold committee chairs, etc.

Did you say "GuitarBill", aka "SemaphoreFor9/11Truth"?

You inadvertently hit upon a great suggestion. One of GuitarBill's new pseudonyms on AlterNet should be "trollstein".

Or maybe we should have a couple of contests:

• - One to nominate and vote on his new AlterNet aliases he should adopt.
• - The other (later) to nominate and vote on the aliases that he really assumed.

Multiple aliases? Of course. Then we can play GuitarBill's favorite game of alias-ASS-ociating which pseudonyms belong to him. Loads of thread detour and distracting fun, don't you think CynicI, Prophit0, and PRC?

Why the games or contests at all? Because GuitarBill didn't just have his hat handed to him, but his ass as well by TwentyTen and winchelenator.

Here's sort of an explanation:

» Dancing like a flying monkey singing "The witch is dead!"

Of particular note to those of us who want to gloat, GuitarBill had in various discussions posted practically verbatim from his Oracle database a posting that used physics and math to supposedly debunk free-fall speeds happening in the twin towers on 9/11. Not only was he called on an error relating to constant velocity in his equations by LeftWright in April, the error was never fixed and was re-posted several times.

TwentyTen found that error as well as several more in the math and physics that a holder of a Master's of Arts in Mathematics and a minor in Physics should not have made much less repeated after the error was pointed out.

winchelenator had him on the ropes about the chemistry of fires and what temperatures the 9/11 fires could and could not have reached.

All in all, the discussion threads in the above article were classic disinformation by the dynamic duo GuitarBill and EncinoM ("Gilligan" or "GuitarBill's Little Buddy") culminating with three (3) of GuitarBill's postings getting yanked and his posting rights as well.

Without any further fanfare now that his old alias is (or damn well should be) retired from AlterNet, I nominate and vote for the following aliases for GuitarBill to assume:

• SemaphoreFor9/11Truth
• CompulsiveLiar
• Q-Groupie
• Q-Dip
• Q-Dipster
• Q-Dipshit
• Q-Dipshitster
• trollstein

Dancing like a flying monkey singing "The witch is dead!"

The spire of inner-core expiring into dust was probably God himself giving us a smoking gun to wake us up, to ask questions, and to find the God's honest truth about 9/11.

We both know that Q-dipster would love to come back at you with some sort of personal attack to distract from the fact that he doesn't have the physics entry in his NSA database to refute either the expiring spire or your comments.

Don't expect an answer from him too soon. He's probably sulking in his PJ's that his beloved login alias doesn't work. Of course, it wouldn't take much time for him to employ one of his multiple email accounts (or to acquire a brand-new gmail account), register a new handle here, and re-appear in some new form. In fact, he may already have done so prior to his musical alias getting the deathwish it has been craving for over half a year and certainly with an increased jonesing for banishment during the Christmas holidays.

See all of the "This comment has been removed" entries above? They were his. Why are they gone and why is he gone (*cross our fingers*)?

It wasn't just that:

• He was losing a 9/11 discussion badly with 5 fundamental errors in his physics, math, and reasoning on free-fall physics.
• These mistakes undermine this and several other verbatim copy/paste posts in other discussions.
• These mistakes called into question, if not his very education, then certainly his retention of and ability to re-apply such knowledge.

No, he was losing so badly that he had to drag into the discussion a real name of a real person. Has Q-dipshit ever revealed any of his personal details? A real name? A contact email address? A website? No, and not asked for either.

"Writing under a pseudonym or pen name on political topics has a long and distinguished history going back to the Federalist Papers when Founders Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison wrote under the pen name of Publius in the late 1700s."
~ alaskanlibrarian in Pseudonyms and Anonymous Sourcing

"If you are going to out an anonymous blogger, you'd better have a very, very good reason for doing so, because the damage you can do to that person's career, and to the online public square, can be real and irreversible.
~ Rod Dreber in On outing anonymous bloggers

Without confirming or denying the accused association, the point is that publishing a real name and personal information did not have a very, very good reason to be posted, was a highly personal attack, was way off-topic, was un-American, ran afoul of basic netiquette, and contradicted the very ethics training & contracts on protecting personal data that he attended & signed on his way to a CISSP, Certified Information Systems Security Professional [link compliments of the Q-dipster himself]. Can't-be-proven-to-exist Q Group? Look who is among the organizations according to Wiki who value such certification.

We can only hope that he uses the time on the side-lines, however long we are blessed with, to contemplate his despicable actions, to repent, and to remove such offending tactics from his game in whatever pseudonym he chooses to... *cough*... "grace" this forum again.

High-five to you, winchelenator, for the 9/11 chemical heat analysis above and for mostly keeping your cool against the Q-dipshitster.

Won't you join me in the flying monkey dance & "The Witch is Dead" song?

~TwentyTen