Wednesday, April 1, 2015

Another one discredits himself

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Introduction

Isaiah 42:16 "And I will bring the blind by a way that they know not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and the crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them."

Legacy can be a bitch for disingenuous debaters. Legacy (or lack thereof) cuts them on the back-swing if they haven't been collecting and preserving their genius efforts made in other people's forums, because it can be disappeared and then nothing remains to substantiate them having supposedly made such stellar effort. Legacy (of others) can cut them on the fore-swing when someone else faithfully [OCD: el-oh-el] collects their words and handily proves them hypocrites, liars, weasels, game players, etc.

Mr. Rogue and Mr. Ruff have been the most vocal -- if not near duet -- voices against my nuclear DEW premises. The disingenuous debating of Mr. Rogue comprise a huge portion of this blog in recent years. Although Mr. Ruff has had representation those years, it isn't until his participation with me is collected in one place that disingenuous patterns emerge.

On 2015-03-06, I provided an example of how Mr. Ruff could save face and demonstrate some integrity, were he so inclined. He would write words like:

"I was shocked to discover through my research -- seeded by Mr. SEO {aka Mr. MCB} -- that time delays in sampling, small numbers of samples, and scope-limited reports indeed provide sufficient wiggle room in the evidence analysis to make plausible the involvement of 4th generation nuclear devices on 9/11 at the WTC. I was personally disappointed to learn how lacking were the good faith estimates into chemical based destruction methods by various PhD's, how absurd the implied quantities, and how pitiful the nuclear considerations."

But this doesn't appear to be how Mr. Ruff is presently playing his cards. Walt Disney wrote:

"Everyone needs deadlines. Even the beavers. They loaf around all summer, but when they are faced with the winter deadline, they work like fury. If we didn’t have deadlines, we’d stagnate."

Stagnant appears to be Mr. Ruff, because not only after one month did he blow by his first deadline without as much as a single on-blog, on-venue, courteous request:

"I'm reviewing your links [Andre Gsponer 2005 Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons: Military effectiveness and collateral effects] but am not finished with my analysis and write-up. Might you be so kind as to grant me a humble extension of ____ days?"

... But then Mr. Ruff let a second month blow by without any estimation on when he'd get to his previous promises:

- [2015-02-09 or x204] " I will get back to you about the mini nuke (or whatever you want to call it) issue when I have time to do so. "

- [2015-02-10 or x206] "I will get to this bullshit argument when I have time to do it properly."

Mr. Adam Ruff has my sincere hopes to publicly change his mind -- or at least hop onto the fence -- with regards to 9/11 nuclear DEW devices playing significant roles at the WTC. But, nope. Mr. Ruff has played games, defaulted, and subsequently failed his objectivity test administered (below).


2014-05-27

Applicable definitions of "Discredit" in this situation with this particular disingenuous debate opponent:
- to cause (someone or something) to seem dishonest or untrue
- to cause disbelief in the accuracy or authority of
- loss of credit or reputation
- lack or loss of belief or confidence

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Part 1: Historical Exchanges with Mr. Ruff

Introduction to Part 1


x69 Adam Ruff : a DEW fires essentially a beam

2012-06-03


x70 Señor El Once : Not so fast and be more specific

2012-06-04


x71 ruffadam : massive power supply

2012-06-04


x72 Señor El Once : more easily combustible materials than paint on cars did not ignite

2012-06-04


x73 ruffadam : make your observations about what the photo shows

2012-06-04


x74 Señor El Once : specific photos of WTC-7 and West Broadway

2012-06-05


x75 Señor El Once : the spire is indeed falling

2012-06-05


x76 Señor El Once : embrace it and own it

2012-08-16


x77 Señor El Once : does not have any idea what he is talking about. Astounding!

2012-08-28


x78 Señor El Once : disinformation techniques and logical fallacies

2012-09-11


x79 Señor El Once : appealing to your own authority

2012-09-11


x80 Señor El Once : ticks that tock into a boom

2012-10-03


x81 Señor El Once : not trusting a single word

2012-10-04


x82 Señor El Once : demand for substantiation of belittling Professor Jones

2012-10-06


x83 hybridrogue1 : spurious nonsense

2012-10-06


x84 Señor El Once : operating dishonestly: the [no-nookie lord] doth protest too much, methinks.

2012-10-06


x85 Señor El Once : sock-puppet and bringing in the dog and putting out the cat

2012-10-26


x86 Señor El Once : plain nuts with substantiation

2012-10-28


x87 Señor El Once : "like" or "don't like"

2012-10-29


x88 ruffadam : Ignored and unread

2012-10-30


x89 Señor El Once : you ignored it not

2012-10-30


x90 ruffadam : remiss and negligent in my 9/11 truthing

2012-11-17


x91 Señor El Once : multiple interpretations of what "DEW weaponry"

2012-11-18


x92 ruffadam : I almost always skip SEO’s

2013-03-06


x93 ruffadam : an agent is you SEO

2013-03-07


x94 Señor El Once : Where's the chapter-by-chapter debunking?

2013-03-07


x95 ruffadam : decline your bait SEO

2013-03-07


x96 Señor El Once : Most Vocal Participant

2013-03-08


x97 ruffadam : I skipped right past SEO’s posts

2013-03-09


x98 Señor El Once : shoot a hole in your credibility, reputation, and foot

2013-03-09


x99 Adam_Ruff : exposing charlatans, fraudsters, liars, and provocateurs

2013-07-20


x100 Señor El Once : Who are you? What is your real name?

2013-07-21


x101 Señor El Once : little bit loose with the "troll" word

2013-07-23


x102 Señor El Once : What are you deluded by?

2013-07-25


x103 Adam_Ruff : A.Wright is such a koolaid drinking troll

2013-07-29


x104 Señor El Once : the most dangerous 9/11 conspirators

2013-07-30


x105 ruffadam : to level charges at others and make claims about them and then refuse to discuss it

2013-08-05


x106 Señor El Once : piling on poor Mr. Kevin Ryan

2013-08-05


x107 ruffadam & hybridrogue1 : do not wish to engage with Senior El Once

2013-08-08


x108 Señor El Once : could there be other instances of scope-limiting?

2013-08-08


x109 HybridRogue1 & Adam Ruff : Hit & Run

2013-08-08


x110 HybridRogue : too much of a weasel to post here

2013-08-12


x111 Señor El Once : lives up to the "weasel"

2013-08-12


x112 Señor El Once : No radiation = no nuke?

2013-08-12


x113 Señor El Once : where is the report that documents "no radiation"

2013-08-13


x114 Señor El Once : Reading a Book

2013-08-13


x115 Adam_Ruff : I am not getting his book

2013-08-13


x116 Señor El Once : Got ignorance much?

2013-08-14


x117 Señor El Once : a tighter, more restrictive use of language

2013-08-14


x118 Señor El Once : the best way to challenge the official story

2013-08-14


x119 Señor El Once : consulted with his bird's brain

2013-08-14


x120 HybridRogue1 : slurmiester maximus

2013-08-14


x121 Señor El Once : completely misinterpret the assignment

2013-08-15


x122 Adam_Ruff : I reject all of their work

2013-08-15


x123 Señor El Once : throwing in a screw ball

2013-08-16


x124 Señor El Once : a void exists of valid alternative explanations for EVERYTHING presented

2013-08-16


x125 Adam_Ruff : better things to do with my time than read your book length crappol

2013-08-17


x126 Señor El Once : I poked at his ignorance

2013-08-19


x127 Adam Ruff : grossly distorting

2013-08-28


x128 Señor El Once : rejects EVERYTHING from them

2013-08-27


x129 Señor El Once : So works the hands of disinformation.

2013-08-27


x130 Adam Ruff : Your reasoning is unreasonable and your logic is illogical.

2013-08-27


x131 hybridrogue1 : perpetual twirlytwat

2013-08-27


x132 Señor El Once : proper recourse to suspected disinformation

2013-08-28


x133 ruffadam : not credible at all as a person seeking the truth

2013-08-29


x134 Señor El Once : I expect the same

2013-08-29


x135 hybridrogue1 : Who gives a fuck what YOU expect?

2013-08-29


x136 Señor El Once : Consistently missing substantiating links

2013-08-30


x137 Señor El Once : Do I ever feel special!

2013-09-01


x138 ruffadam : respect is mutual

2013-09-03


x139 Señor El Once : obsolete words for high school graduates

2013-09-04


x140 Adam Ruff : a real truther we should all try to emulate

2013-09-12


x141 Señor El Once : The dirt on that

2013-09-13


x142 Adam Ruff : Who's Afraid?

2014-04-07


x143 Señor El Once : hasn't been debating in good faith

2014-04-07


x144 hybridrogue1 : spent many months in reasoned debate

2014-04-07


x145 Señor El Once : counting the lies

2014-04-08


x146 ruffadam : I vote for it having been thrown under a bus

2014-04-12


x147 Señor El Once : sick of SEO claiming we have not done so

2014-04-13


x148 Señor El Once : low-life pap smear

2014-04-14


x149 Señor El Once : not an invited member of Mr. Rogue's readership

2014-04-14


x150 hybridrogue1 : process of identification Seenyor

2014-05-10


x151 ruffadam : debunked garbage

2014-06-03


x152 Señor El Once : The expression "over-acting" ought to be familiar with Mr. Rogue.

2014-06-05


x153 Señor El Once : certain people refuse to debate here or anywhere

2014-06-21


x154 Señor El Once : The "challenged" aren't going to come.

2014-06-26


x155 Señor El Once : couldn't resist cranking the neu nookiedoo carousel

2014-06-26


x156 ruffadam : let me up my total

2014-08-06


x157 Señor El Once : tie-in's to the topic

2014-08-06


x158 Señor El Once : holocaust narrative

2014-08-06


x159 ruffadam : intentionally disrupting threads

2014-08-06


x160 Señor El Once : topic to the fourth level discussion

2014-08-11 at 2:15 pm


x161 Señor El Once : hope they crack down very hard with flagrant police state tactics

2014-08-11


x162 ruffadam : discredit me with my own words

2014-08-11


x163 Señor El Once : discussion behavior

2014-08-15


x164 ruffadam : stinks of agitprop to me

2014-08-16


x165 Señor El Once : Chop-chop, Mr. Ruff

2014-08-20


x166 ruffadam : I really believe you are "agitprop" or an "agent provocateur"

2014-08-20


x167 Señor El Once : pushed the buttons of my religious fanaticism

2014-08-21


x168 ruffadam : OCD to the extreme

2014-08-21


x169 Señor El Once : customer list the most valuable thing

2014-08-22


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Part 2: Bloviating Mr. Ruff's Flumuxed 2nd Chance to ~not~ be a Hypocrite

Introduction to Part 2


x172 Maxwell Bridges : Mike Collins in 9/11 Truth Movement

2015-01-26


x173 Adam Ruff : conversation with Ken Doc

2015-01-27


x180 Maxwell Bridges : banishment from a Facebook 9/11 Truth forum

2015-01-27


x182 ruffadam : choose another venue

2015-01-27


x183 Craig McKee : no intention of allowing a Judy Wood discussion

2015-01-27


x184 hybridrogue1 : all the dings

2015-01-27


x185 hybridrogue1 : COMMENT REMOVED: treated to some huge amount of verbose bullshit

2015-01-28


x186 hybridrogue1 : the agitprop bullshit laid on me

2015-01-28


x187 Craig McKee : not enforcing my own rules

2015-01-28


x188 hybridrogue1 : load of horseshit from pussyboy

2015-01-28


x189 Maxwell Bridges : COMMENT REMOVED: Mr. Ruff rising to my rhetorical challenges

2015-01-28


x190 Craig McKee : Behave

2015-01-29


x191 Maxwell Bridges : COMMENT REMOVED: editing left out possible URLs for venue

2015-01-30


x192 Craig McKee : out of order

2015-01-30


x193 Maxwell Bridges : trying to get the discussion elsewhere

2015-01-30


x194 hybridrogue1 : arrogance is overwhelming and fanatical

2015-01-30


x195 Adam Ruff : give my e-mail address to SEO

2015-01-31


x196 Maxwell Bridges : deadline until March unless requested to extend

2015-02-01


x198 Maxwell Bridges : a face-saving way for you to get out of this pickle you're in

2015-02-06


x199 Adam Ruff : who has who beaten

2015-02-06


x200 Maxwell Bridges : Post to the venue

2015-02-06


x201 Maxwell Bridges : according to Wood?

2015-02-08


x202 AdamRuff : moved the goal posts

2015-02-09


x203 Maxwell Bridges : desire to shift debate dates back years

2015-02-09


x204 AdamRuff : I will get back to you about the mini nuke issue when I have time to do so

2015-02-09


x205 Maxwell Bridges : no pleasure to point out you being disingenuous

2015-02-10


x206 AdamRuff : get to this bullshit argument when I have time to do it properly

2015-02-10


x207 Maxwell Bridges : marched right into it with ample opportunity to take a hike early

2015-02-10


x208 Maxwell Bridges : COMMENT REMOVED: an opportunity for an objective discussion on my hobby-horse topic

2015-02-16


x209 hybridrogue1 : progress report

2015-02-19


x210 Maxwell Bridges : COMMENT REMOVED: my treatment on T&S runs very much parallel

2015-02-19


x211 hybridrogue1 : COMMENT REMOVED: I have a feeling

2015-02-19


x212 hybridrogue1 : more of his anal hurlants

2015-02-18


x213 Craig McKee : you respond and keep things going

2015-02-19


x214 hybridrogue1 : grit me teeth

2015-02-19


x215 Maxwell Bridges : link is required as a relief value

2015-02-20


x221 Maxwell Bridges : sincere hopes to publicly change his mind

2015-03-06


x222 Adam Ruff & hybridrogue1 : never ending bullshit carousel

2015-03-07


x224 James 1:19, 22-25 : swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath

2015-02-20


x225 Maxwell Bridges : Mickey Mouse Games

2015-03-10


x227 Maxwell Bridges : Mr. Ruff's reputation and integrity are reaching the lows of Mr. Rogue

2015-03-14


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5 comments:

M. C. Bruecke said...

Dear Mr. Ruff and Mr. Whitten,

I am a sincere seeker of Truth. Recently I was taken aback by this quotation:

"The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." ~Gustave Le Bon (1841-1931)

Certainly dovetails with:

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ~Mark Twain

Inspiration to present conditions -- even on the themes of 9/11 -- can often be found in biblical passages. For instance:

I Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Revelations 1:3: "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Are Mr. Ruff or Mr. Whitten blessed for having read 4th generation nuclear weapons? In "proving" or "testing" it, did they find any good on which to hold fast?

Why am I communicating with them? Why am I bringing this up? Because Mr. Ruff wrote on October 5, 2015 at 8:32 pm:
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To me the fact that the "team" refuses all discussion of these issues indicates deception on their part. A truther (a real one) does not shy away from addressing challenges to his or her work. In fact real truthers relish the opportunity to debate 9/11 issues and either prove their hypothesis correct or accept that it is in error and abandon it for a better one.
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Then on October 29, 2015 at 8:32 am, Mr. Ruff repeats:
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A genuine truther would face opponents in the open and if he was shown to be in error he would change his stance and embrace the truth regardless of personal considerations. That is what real truthers do.
+++ end quote

Using Mr. Ruff's own definitions:

- Mr. Ruff is not a truther (a real one). (a) He doesn't have any permanent work: articles, blogs, etc. to support his no-nukes on 9/11 premise. (b) If we graciously include statements that he made on T&S and my blog as his work, Mr. Ruff has totally shied away from addressing challenges to it. No show for quite some time. (c)_ "Blessed is he that readeth", therefore blessed is ~not~ Mr. Ruff who boasted of not reading my postings or reference materials.

- Mr. Whitten is not a truther (a real one). (a) He won't make comments on my blog. (b) He won't allow my comments on his blog. [(c1) He won't participate on Facebook, despite it being perfect for him, his belligerent style, and his penchance for cycling through repetitive arguments.] (c2) "Blessed is he that readeth", therefore blessed is ~not~ Mr. Whitten who admitted not finishing Dr. Wood's book and then perpetuated for two years a lie about having destroyed the book in order to avoid discussions. Why? "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [I Thessalonians 5:21]

hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

In the past, I "relished the opportunity to debate 9/11 issues and either prove my hypothesis correct or accept that it is in error and abandon it for a better one." Thus, I was the real truther.

Not so much any more, owing to 14 years since 9/11 and the crushing reality of the difficulty in convincing others how they've been fooled.

//

M. C. Bruecke said...

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Mr. Adam Ruff wrote on Truth & Shadows April 4, 2016 at 3:45 pm:
"For the record if you invite Senior El Once {SEO = Bruecke = Bridges} into your circle of contacts you are going to regret it because the guy is OCD to the extreme..."

El-oh-el. Sure; when I discover a nugget of truth, I cling to it like a dog to a bone. Sure; I'm organized. Sure; I collect drip-by-drip, comment-by-comment my words, relevant quotes from my opponents that I'm responding to, and dates & URLs where such transpired.

The issue isn't what my legacy exposes about me, because I have been sincere, I stand behind my words {until new data or analysis necessitates a change}, and the knowledge of the collection task affects even the authoring process to curb baser instincts and to write content worthy of preservation.

The issue is what legacy exposes about my opponents: blow-hard, hypocrisy, lies...

Mr. Ruff continued: "... and {SEO} will NEVER leave you alone! Ever."

Mr. Ruff's exaggerations verge on lies, which has been the issue and merits contact in an attempt to correct the record.

"I told him many times to stop contacting me and he kept doing it anyway."

Mr. Ruff was told to set up a filter for my messages, and he promised that he had already done so: my email messages go directly to spam or trash UNREAD.

Phrases like "will NEVER leave you alone" and "kept doing it anyway" take on a hue of daily spam and irrelevant to anything. On the contrary, my off-list messages to Mr. Ruff have been so infrequent, the average over the course of a year probably isn't twice a month. The content of those infrequent messages related directly to Mr. Ruff's online activities.

Mr. Ruff continued: "He sends very long elaborate diatribes which are confusing and hard to decipher and which are full of all sorts of erroneous conclusions and logical fallacies."

Hold it right there! If Mr. Ruff repeatedly declared publicly & privately that he did not read my comments / emails and that he set up filters precisely to avoid reading my emails, then Mr. Ruff has zero basis to assert "erroneous conclusions and logical fallacies" in my work. Either Mr. Ruff (a) is lying about filtering / not reading my words, (b) is lying his assessment of my actual content, or (c) both.

Book reviews without actually reading the books (Kevin Ryan, Dr. Judy Wood, Dr. Andre Gsponer) are data points already in Mr. Ruff's trend line. He could only know if an email were "very long elaborate diatribes" if he looked inside. Therefore, (c) two lies are exposed.

Given Mr. Ruff education level and IQ, I give him a pass on thinking my words are "confusing and hard to decipher". In a cognitive dissonance sort of way, my messages probably are and probably "hurt his widdle bwain."

For the sake of discussion, if we assume true Mr. Ruff's baseless assertions, improving or eradicating the very same "erroneous conclusions and logical fallacies" has been a motive behind my entire web presence and efforts to establish communication channels.
// Part 1/2

M. C. Bruecke said...

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Readers can speculate themselves what possibly could be tainting Mr. Ruff's description of me. Maybe he doesn't like me dragging up instances of his own hypocrisy (March 18, 2016 at 12:14 pm with minor edits for FGND):

"A truther is indeed someone who finds and tells the truth no matter who likes it or not. It isn't an issue when a truther changes his or her stance when some new information comes along in fact they should change when they are shown to be wrong. So you changing your opinion isn't the issue {...}. Follow the implications of the evidence and say it loud and clear {...} If you don't do that you are NOT a truther. The BS game you are playing here {...} says some very disturbing things about you. Why would you persist in trying to obfuscate some of the best proof we have of an inside job? Why would anyone do that? Honestly I wish a real truther was there to slap you in the face and tell you how dirty it is to do what you are doing. it makes me sick."

Mr. Ruff from March 19, 2016 at 9:43 pm:

"The JREF'ers have been up to no good for a long time that is for sure and not just with 9/11 but you know the NSA's Q group has been at this for a long time too. They use all sorts of dirty tricks to try and tear us down and divide us but you know what {...}? The truth ALWAYS wins in the end. No matter what they do the truth cannot be defeated, the only thing they can even remotely hope for is to suppress the truth for a while. So in essence they are like cockroaches scurrying around hoping and praying the light doesn't get flicked on. These disinformation artists promoting the lie about {NT @ the WTC will soon be} a dying breed, discredited and demoralized, just like the corporate media. No one is buying the BS they are selling anymore."

OCD-me! I did what Mr. Ruff was incapable of starting: objective research and review of DEW and nuclear devices for their state about 2001. Herewith, I fulfill my promise of making available my raw research into DEW and Nukes.

I earnestly and sincerely tried MANY TIMES to initiate a rational, reasoned, researched, substantive discussion, only to be be JREF'ed and Q-Group'ed by the likes of Mr. Ruff and Mr. Whitten. Mr. Ruff has skirted discussions. He avoids emails. I presently don't have posting privileges on T&S. We don't have communication channels. So Mr. Ruff's April 4, 2016 at 3:45 pm comment is an unsolicited attack.

Look no further than Mr. Ruff's closing remarks: "By contacting {SEO/me} you are letting a crazy person into your company. You have been warned."

Oooo! Dat's kwazy twalk!

// Part 2/2

Willy Whitten said...

Are you still the same old twat you have always been Maxifuckanus?

No doubt you are.

I found someone almost as bad as you on Amazon, an anonymous stooge going by Suetonius.
A real cunt this one is. I bet you two would get along great!
HAPPY NEW YEAR Twatman!!!!!!
\\][//

Maxwell C. Bridges said...

Dear Mr. Whitten,

I don't check my "conspiracy" email very often anymore, so didn't see your lovely attempt at a posting until now (2017-01-23).

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Willy Whitten has left a new comment on your post "Another one discredits himself":


Are you still the same old twat you have always been Maxifuckanus?

No doubt you are.

I found someone almost as bad as you on Amazon, an anonymous stooge going by Suetonius.
A real cunt this one is. I bet you two would get along great!
HAPPY NEW YEAR Twatman!!!!!!
\\][//

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You asked in a malframed manner if I was "still the same old twat"? Have you stopped sexually abusing your children?

Suetonius is not me. I don't play on Amazon. If he were me, my blog would have claimed credit by now by virtue of me re-purposing my words on my blog, such is the nature of my writer's ego.

Awhile ago (months), idle curiosity had me visit your blog and notice a re-purposing to your blog of some Amazon comments. Followed them there. Jump around several dozens of pages of comments. Noticed that what rationality you could exhibit took very quickly a backseat to emotional flame wars and trolling.

I inherited another blog over the summer. Was a little bit of a time suck in maintaining. Trump's election knocked the wind out of me. I'm not a regular participant anywhere anymore, but I am a regular lurker on Facebook. Trump trolling has increased.

Thanks for thinking of me.

// MCB