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Señor El Once : don't wave-off the nuclear signatures
2012-06-25
Señor Agent Rogue wrote:
There are ZERO nuclear characteristics to the event itself.
Not true. The cascading pulverization of content could be pretty indicative of that. Specially tweaked nukes don't have to give off the tell-tale signatures of conventional nukes in the same manner (flash, bang, EMP, heat wave, blast wave, alpha radiation, beta radiation, gamma radiation, X-ray radiation, etc.) Unconventional nukes whose primary output is electromagnetic energy that is DEW targeted (like the X-Ray laser intended to take out missiles). An amped up microwave. It could turn residual water molecules in content into steam whose expanding volume pressure blew content apart.
The issue with your chemical explosives is that they BURN. Why so little flaming falling debris? In fact, therein lies a major piece of evidence from Dr. Wood's textbook. When you study images and videos of the destruction of the towers, you see pieces falling that seem to have smoke trails. Is it just smoke? Or is it primarily dust and steam? How did your chemical materials get materials turned to smoke without flames or red-hot metal? Why didn't burning particles from your plastmastic flow clouds ignite many office fires in adjacent buildings, yet at the persistence to attack metal in cars to make them pop-off?
Señor Rogue wrote:
SECOND, the aftermath: “the 1st responder ailments mirroring Nagasaki,” — they do not.
They do. Stop acting like a know-it-all. Do your homework. Look into what can cause teeth to fall out.
On the Issue of Nuclear Demolition of the WTC and Radiation, from "Anonymous Physicist"
It later became known that they found high levels of (asbestos, mercury and other) toxins shortly after 9/11, and yet told the world, and the responders, that “the “air was safe.” They lied, for quite some time, about what they had found in this sense. Now if the EPA tested for, and found, significant radiation, and/or radionuclides, and failed to tell the responders this; it resulted in the responders not wearing radiation-shielding, protective clothing. This would then likely lead to cancer and other illnesses. I note that there has been cancers, in 9/11 responders, and people living nearby; and asbestos is known to usually take far longer for its victims to get cancer. Could these cancers be the result of radiation? Cancer can be caused by even the very lowest levels of radiation. The father of the field of health physics, Dr. Karl Ziegler Morgan, has so stated.
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In a similar vein, is anyone foolish enough to trust a certain physicist’s alleged data on his tests of a single steel beam and a friend’s apartment? This is the same physicist whose alleged data shot down the whole field of cold fusion? ... When this same physicist tries to shoot down the fact that mini-nukes were used to demolish the twin towers, he rightly knows that he has to address the issue of the evidence of EMPs (Electromagnetic Pulses). But he barely mentions it, and simply says that other factors could have caused the power outages. No mention of the toasted cars--and not people or paper right next to them. See Ondrovic’s statements already alluded to by me. Read how she was knocked down by the car door right next to her overheating from the EMP and exploding off the car and hitting her. ... That physicist knows well that there is no other explanation for these events, except EMP, so he does not include this evidence of the toasted cars or Ondrovic’ eyewitness (heavily redacted) testimony. ... When he mentions the high temperatures and molten steel, at the WTC, he bogusly writes about this as if this occurred only during the demolition or just shortly thereafter. He ignores (as he must) the fact that flowing molten steel, and extremely high temperatures were found days, weeks and months after 9/11. Does anyone believe his beloved, bogus thermite was still generating massive heat days, weeks and months later? Any heat generated by thermite would have been gone minutes or hours after the event.
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Also regarding the radiation issue, in this abstract of an article, a scientist, in 1969, published the following, “Nuclear device characteristics and the factors affecting radionuclide production and distribution are described along with some recent nuclear experiments conducted by the U. S. Atomic Energy Commission for the purpose of providing technical data on cratering mechanisms and special emplacement techniques which could minimize the release of radioactivity to the atmosphere.” This shows, even back in 1969, that the govt experimented with using nukes to construct canals. It shows that they worked on having nukes with blast effect, and little or no radioactive elements created. The article’s abstract hints at two methods for obviating atmospheric release of radioactivity. 1. Steering the device towards low radionuclide production and 2. "special emplacement techniques" which means place it where you won't get much or any radiation released into the air. As this was back in 1969, they likely have perfected very low (or no) radiation nukes. There should be better, more recent articles on this topic, but I didn't find any so far. Maybe I know why?! Could it be because they perfected this, and classified this, as they knew they would be using this on the “home front,” such as on 9/11? Could small nukes to be used for “construction,” have morphed into nukes used for “destruction?”
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Regarding 9/11, never forget that whatever radionuclides may have been created were sent to China, or otherwise were not allowed to be studied. This remarkable article states that before the steel was shipped to China, it was "first sent to be washed down"— a standard method of decreasing radiation levels! ... The same demolition expert said of the 1993 nuke— after he examined the basement of that tower: "The particular type of construction type micronuclear device is mostly radiologically clean." So, as I indicated in my WTC nuclear demolition article, recent nuclear devices can be designed to be “steered” towards blast capability, and away from any (significant) radiation release.
For completeness, I note that if there was significant radioactivity released, some such elements have short lives both in terms of time and distance. Few, if any "citizens" right there had Geiger counters, most of which have serious limitations. These nukes went off basically inside steel boxes. The government’s own study found significant levels of tritium (a signature of a fusion device, and according to Tahil, if he is honest, even end-products of fission were found). But the govt study notes that they were “unable” to test at numerous places— but especially deep underground, which was where the high temperatures and molten steel were observed! Of course, there is the possibility (since this is the govt), that they did test at these places, and discarded anything that would have proved the case for mini-nukes. With other government “investigations,” whistle-blowers have revealed that often there is much evidence, but it is eliminated.
Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia, a WTC responder, rescue worker, counselor, and FEMA consultant has made many remarkable statements related to the nuking of the WTC.
They would tackle you and take your camera away. ... When we first got there, we were told where we could go and where we couldn’t go. There were different places that you were not to go to. One of the things you were not to go to and they claimed it was for safety was down in the garages, the parking garages. They were very flooded. There were a lot of problems like that. All the apartments around there were all sealed off. A lot of things were very much sealed off. ... The rescue people – when our clothes got so contaminated, we were told not to bring our clothes off that site. Don’t wear anything on the site you’re not prepared to leave there because it’s contaminated. ... My teeth are falling out. ... If you spoke to civilians, you actually were reprimanded by not being allowed to go back to the pile per hour, per occurrence. So if you talked to four people, they wouldn’t say anything to you on the pile. But when you got back, to come back and got ready at the Port Authority, got showered, dressed and ready to return, they’d say, “Tartaglia, you have to hold up a second, we need to talk to you for a second.” And then you would have nonsensical conversations for two or three hours. [AJ: AJ: Now we know that by day two, they arrested anybody with cameras. They said no over-flights, no cameras.] First of all they didn’t take cameras away from everybody. They took them away from people they couldn’t control. ... Most everybody has chronic sinusitis. They have ringing in the ears. Some people’s teeth and gums are bothering them. In the last year, I’ve lost seven teeth. They have just broken while I was eating. I have three or four more teeth that are just dying. And my dentist says, “I’ve never seen anything like this in someone who’s healthy. There is something wrong with you but I cannot find what it is. And I can’t stop it either.” ... The doctor said to me, I have - 97% of the population in American breathes more efficiently than I do. And that most of the people who are in that 3% are the people from Ground Zero. It’s this debilitating, death-bed type of lung problems.
Did NYC Residents’ Geiger Counters Prove the Case? And then did NYC Criminalize Geiger Counters?
Data on radiation taken at the WTC—with the exception of elevated tritium levels (which does arise from fission bombs)—has been tightly controlled by FEMA. Few responders had access to the deep underground regions that likely had the highest radiation readings.
But then I have also detailed some strange happenings in NYC concerning a proposed law to ban private NYC residents from owning Geiger Counters. Owning a Geiger Counter was to become a misdemeanor.
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The alleged reason for this proposed foul legislation is that they claim many NYC residents had Geiger Counters that gave [allegedly] false positive readings! And then that local or more likely co-conspirating federal agencies (such as FEMA) spent a lot of money tracking things down and concluding the readings were false. [Naturally.] I note that calibrating Geiger Counters properly is not a difficult thing for the manufacturers of these devises to do.
The legislation before the City Council was said to have been requested by Mayor Bloomberg, and done in conjunction with the Dept. of Homeland Security. (AKA the Gestapo.) Some researchers have detailed that the City Councilmen spearheading the effort are members of the CFR.
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The City leaders were saying that the police were spending too much time and money on all the residents who claimed either Geiger counters or toxin detectors had yielded positive results. As the NYPD is not likely to have been set up to do such detection, I am sure they would have called in federal agencies, such as the EPA and FEMA. The EPA, you can recall lied to the people and said there was nothing toxic released from WTC destruction in the days and weeks after 9/11/01. While the EPA, FEMA, DHS, etc will never release any true radiation readings, they may have taken at the WTC or nearby later on, some NYC residents know the awful truth.
RADIATION CANCERS KILL 345 SO FAR (April 4, 2011)
Firefighters who recovered bodies at Ground Zero are developing cancer at a faster rate than those who worked before the atrocity, medical officials have revealed.
A seven-year study by the New York Fire Department has claimed that there are ‘unusual rises’ in the number of cancer cases among firefighters who worked in the aftermath of 9/11.
Some types of cancer among 9/11 firefighters are even ‘bizarrely off the charts’, according to sources who have seen the as-yet-undisclosed federal-funded study.
Dr. David Prezant, the Fire Department’s chief medical officer, has reportedly said that cancer cases across ‘all ranks’ of the FDNY who worked at Ground Zero are ‘up significantly’.
From Thomas Pynchon: "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
Then you claim: “nuclear hazmat procedures”
Yep. They carted in fresh dirt, spread it around, let it absorb radiation, then scooped it together, and carted it off.
Yep. They put copious amounts of water on hot-spots, yet still they burned. They washed steel with water before shipping to China.
Here is how you wave-off the nuclear signatures:
There is one nuclear signature verified – tritium. It is inconsequential. It can be explained as is in the USGS report. It can also be explained as to leaching into the watertable from landfills, where regardless of laws against it, there are thousands of computers and other devices containing tritium.
Prove that the USGS report explains it.
Contrary to your assignment to steer this forum, the tritium nuclear signature was not inconsequential. It necessitated a dog & pony show of a report to discuss it and re-frame trace levels to be 55 times greater than it should have been. It necessitated a dog & pony show of a report from Dr. Jones for more skewing away from any considerations into anything nuclear.
The Final Word on The Tritium
“Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center” by T.M. Semkow, et al. It was published at the 223rd American Chemical Society National Meeting, Orlando, FL, April 7-11, 2002. The article states that “This work was performed under the auspices of the United States Department of Energy by the University of California, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory under contract No. W-7405-Eng-48.” (Note that this is the same lab that allegedly can create “super nano-composite thermite” that yields “unextinguishable fires,” and thus new laws of chemistry and physics as well as the first equivalent perpetual motion mechanism. [If only.] It’s also the same lab that is remasterminding Kennedy Assassination audio tapes. ...)
It should be noted that this paper contains several bogus and ludicrous attempts to account for the tritium at the WTC on 9/13. Mostly they allege that the tritium came from exit signs on the planes that “crashed into the towers.” The paper also alleges that tritium was in the sightings on the guns of police officers killed that day.
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The regime can and does refuse to release anything damning. So why did they release any data showing tritium at all, when they could have kept this under wraps, as I am sure FEMA is doing with WTC radiation readings? One possible answer is that it would provide a ruse for others to later claim the mythical 4th generation pure fusion bomb was used-- thus obviating what was there in NYC for 6 months-- the China Syndrome.
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the China Syndrome of great heat GENERATION from the remnants of the many fission bombs, as each used only about 1-6% of its fissile material. That is, pure fusion does not allow for the China Syndrome as any remnants of pure fusion components (such as deuterium or tritium) do not allow for this-- only Uranium or Plutonium fissioning can. Note that a fission-triggered fusion bomb could still allow for the China Syndrome. Only the pure fusion scenario does not. So it is curious that the Finn immediately went with pure fusion, and not with the possibility of fission-triggered fusion. And the Finn based this on the tritium finding, and either did not know about, or chose to ignore, all the evidence of massive heat generation at the WTC for 6 months, and also the following matter.
Now most fission reactions of Uranium or Plutonium are binary-- they yield TWO large “daughter elements” (e.g., Barium and Krypton, or Strontium and Xenon), plus 2-3 neutrons, plus energy in the form of gamma rays. But since 1959, it has been publicly known, via this article, that ternary fission yields TRITIUM, along with its THREE daughter elements, plus the excess neutrons, and energy. And thus with the numerous fission bombs that were detonated, and with the additional possible factors of redundancy and fratriciding that my articles have detailed, we can arrive at perhaps the most likely source of tritium in the rubble-- the fission nukes themselves. I have seen estimates for the percentage of tritium production from ternary fission ranging from 1% down to .005%. (There is the possibility of deliberate disinformation, in some matters of nuclear physics, so one cannot often trust public nuclear physics discussions.) Because of this, and not knowing what element(s) were fissioned, nor how much of each, it is impossible to know just how much tritium could have been produced by ternary fission in the numerous micro-nukes used to destroy the WTC. But it appears to be more than would occur from non-existent planes, or gun sightings; and the proven heat generation of the China Syndrome Aftermath belies the use of a mythical 4th generation pure fusion device.
The most likely type of nuclear bombs used, was the type that could be made the smallest, and was the simplest, and most proven/dependable (compared to the others). This was the “good old” pure fission form of nuclear bombs. As I have shown, they’re even backpackable. And in the final analysis-- given ternary fission-- there never was any basis for claiming that the nuke(s) used at the WTC had to be 4th generation pure fusion, nor even that there was any fusion at all at the WTC. ...
So any tritium found on 9/13/01 at the WTC, was most likely from ternary fission, not fusion. But if you want one more, perhaps crucial, plausibility argument, here it is. Fusion bombs have a history of having a yield larger than expected. And the perps strenuously wanted NOT to blow through the building in an obvious nuclear manner. A nuke having a yield larger than needed could not be risked. This would have been visible to thousands, perhaps millions; and such knowledge would have been difficult to contain. (Whereas radiation findings were controlled by FEMA, and the Gestapo regime need only scream “national security” to prevent release of such data-- including the tritium paper, if it had wanted to.) I have emphasized the need not to blow through the building in an obvious nuclear way, since my very first article herein. This is one reason why some conventional explosives may have been used during the destruction scenario, as I have also written.
What the nukes were mainly for, in my estimation, was to vaporize INSTANTLY, and definitively, the necessary core structure for the TOWERS’ ENSUING RAPID, APPROXIMATE, FREEFALL RATE OF COLLAPSE! The PTB apparently intended to later push the impossible “gravitational pancaking” ruse, even though it violates numerous laws of Physics, and we can see the outer structure being exploded outward, by the overpressure within. (You can compare what happens during an actual gravitational collapse by seeing this.) The PTB clearly wanted to shove a physically impossible, evidence-opposing destruction "mechanism" down the throats of the masses. They know what it does to many peoples’ psyches. It induces denial, fear, schizoid behavior, and hopelessness-- all good for the coming endless wars, and destruction of the American Constitution. Putting out a physically impossible and evidence-opposing “mechanism” for WTC destruction jibes with other events perpetrated by the American regime. With the American regime’s assassination of the Peace President, John Kennedy, the “official” scenario is that the fatal head shot was fired from behind, even though Kennedy’s body is slammed violently straight back--from the shot fired, from the front, by his Secret Service “protector”/driver. The ludicrous shot from behind violates the simple Law of Conservation of Momentum. As I have written, the WTC bogus scenario entails “pristine pancaking”-- violating Newton’s Laws of Motion. Similarly the JFK Assassination had (future) Senator Specter’s “pristine bullet” that smashed into 5 bones, made turns on its own, hung out for 2 seconds and looked virtually like new-- and violated the Momentum Conservation Law. The PTB want to put out these impossible “mechanisms” to dumb down, shock, or paralyze the people. Most people go into denial, and do not want to think about it, because their subconciousnesses know what is really involved. Those who can think and see, and have combatted the denial, are then further confounded with other limited hangouts put out by the Gestapo Regime’s hidden intel agents posing as “leaders” of the “truth movement.” These WTC hangouts included the evidence-free inanity of DEW, and the “thermite burns forever” impossibility. Both are easily demonstrated to be physically impossible to have caused the WTC destruction, and the CSA. All the regime’s hidden assets earlier inserted at the top of the “alternative” or conspiracy internet media, were then instructed to push these hangouts and avoid mention of the nuking and the China Syndrome Aftermath.
Returning now to the fission vs. fusion issue. Blowing through the outer structure of the building with unnecessary fusion--either as the hypothetical pure fusion, or as a fission-fusion bomb-- could not be risked, when pure fission micro-nukes were readily available. Fission nukes have a more "guaranteed" upper bound on their yields, and are more dependable as well, compared to either the alleged pure fusion or the fission-fusion bomb. In the final analysis, the release of the tritium data may have been a clever Intel Op to try to hide the China Syndrome Aftermath, and its nuclear fission cause. If there was tritium at the WTC, its most likely source was ternary fission.
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hybridrogue1 : Checkmate Señor
2012-06-23
hybridrogue1 says:
June 23, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Señor,
If I may return to you return to you with another attempt to clarify my position of the mechanisms of the towers destruction.
You simply to not have the radiation signatures for your hypothesis to stand up. The tritium levels are inconsequential, and alone with no further proofs of nucleosynthesis; the detection of daughter elements signature to nuclear fission nor fusion. The nuclear hypothesis has no firm standing.
It may be postulated that any radiation readings that would indicate the nuclear hypothesis might be suppressed and hidden. Maybe. There a lot of maybes going around – but no matter how many maybes you stack up, all you have is a stack of maybes.
Compare this stack of maybes to the forensic analysis of the signature characteristics of controlled explosive demolitions and it is overwhelming that they indicate such a sequenced explosive explosive event. So you have a forensic profile that fits beyond reasonable doubt.
This must be kept in mind as we move on to analysis of the effects indicated in the aftermath, and rubble pile hot spots and proofs of molten metal in the basement levels. There remains the same problem of lack of radiation. The same applies to the corrosion of metals including cars post event.
These have the signature of chemical causes as well. Every anomaly I have confronted has proven a dead end to my satisfaction.
So as it stands, first an argument must be made as to how any other mechanism beside controlled sequenced explosive demolition can mimic all of the details evident in the destruction of the towers – these must explain the photographic and video evidence, the sonic recorded evidence, the witness testimonies and injury profiles of survivors. And these should already be well known to any serious researcher.
I will end with the point that I have yet to find anything compelling in your counter argument to date, for DEW, or nuclear, or combinations thereof.
I know you disagree. However I don’t want to hear simply that you disagree, and have to go through the same arguments over again. If you have something new – something of substance to offer, I would be glad to consider it. As it is, it has been ‘reassertion’. Reassertion against reassertion is known as impasse. At that point all that is left between us is that we disagree. To do such over and again is a redundancy I refuse to partake in any longer.
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hybridrogue1 says:
June 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Excellent Señor el Verbosogrande,
I certainly expected nothing ‘less’ from you.
I point to the forensic analysis of the signature characteristics of controlled explosive demolitions and it is overwhelming that they indicate such a sequenced explosive event. So you have a forensic profile that fits beyond reasonable doubt.
But you take another dance through the rubble pile.
Again, it is FIRST up to you to explain how any other mechanism can mimic the EXACT characteristics of sequential controlled explosive demolition.
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hybridrogue1 says:
June 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Señor,
The following is a paragraph from a post on the next thread to Fetzer. I repost it here as it applies to you as well:
It is too late for caveats or excuses from Fetzer as to the challenge I’ve put at the end of this thread, because he obviously has no idea as to what the brisance is for these sol-gel mixtures, because he can have no idea of their formulations. Nor can he have any idea of what their applications might be, whether as detonators for a thermobaric aerosol, as cutter charges, as plasma torches, etc.
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hybridrogue1 says:
June 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Señor El Once,
I point to the forensic analysis of the signature characteristics of controlled explosive demolitions and it is overwhelming that they indicate such a sequenced explosive event. So you have a forensic profile that fits beyond reasonable doubt.
To which you respond:
“Only if you ignore the evidence of radiation, the under rubble hot-spots, the 1st responder ailments mirroring Nagasaki, etc.” — AGAIN.
Let me clarify for you specifically ONE MORE TIME;
FIRST, we must speak to the signature characteristics of the of the explosions of the towers themselves. You aren’t getting this because you can not seem to parse that there is an event, and there is an aftermath. Yes, one is the result of the other, and both must be understood in themselves and in the relation of cause and effect.
EVENT — AFTERMATH.
However, there are no signature effects in the actual event that indicate anything other than chemical explosive demolition.
Why can’t you get this Señor? How many ways can I say this? There are ZERO nuclear characteristics to the event itself. There are countless signature characteristics of a sequenced blast scenario.
SECOND, the aftermath: “the 1st responder ailments mirroring Nagasaki,” — they do not. They are indicative of exposures to highly toxic materials, such as asbestos, toxic dust fully profiled and NONRADIOACTIVE. The tritium readings are from water and air samples.
Then you claim: “nuclear hazmat procedures” – In what is there evidence that these were in anyway connected to “nuclear”? Hazmat is applied to ‘Biological’ , ‘Chemical’ hazards as well as, Nuclear hazards.
You ask:
“Why is there a nuclear signature at all (assuming we trust what was reported)?
What could have been its source?”
There is one nuclear signature verified – tritium. It is inconsequential. It can be explained as is in the USGS report. It can also be explained as to leaching into the watertable from landfills, where regardless of laws against it, there are thousands of computers and other devices containing tritium.
At any rate, the weakness of your argument lies in the inability to put a nuclear signature to the ACTUAL EVENT, which has countless signature characteristics of a sequenced blast scenario.
There is physical evidence of thermitic material in the dust.
[Read my further arguments to Fetzer on the next thread over]
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hybridrogue1 says:
June 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Señor El Once says:
June 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm
[To: "Señor Agent Rogue" -- That's it Once, I've had it with your shit. Don't address me again.]
First off Señor, Don’t you dare write me anymore books as a “comment” – I guarantee you I will totally ignore them.
“Not true. The cascading pulverization of content could be pretty indicative of that. Specially tweaked nukes don’t have to give off the tell-tale signatures of conventional nukes in the same manner”~Señor
>Prove this ‘tweaked nuke proposition.
“you see pieces falling that seem to have smoke trails. Is it just smoke? Or is it primarily dust and steam?”~Señor
>Primarily dust – I seem to recall there was quite a bit generated in this event.
“Why didn’t burning particles from your plastmastic flow clouds ignite many office fires in adjacent buildings…”~Señor
>Surely you jest? The adjacent buildings ended up burnt out, blasted out, and crushed husks.
“The issue with your chemical explosives is that they BURN. Why so little flaming falling debris? ”
~Señor
>If you would spend some time reading about sol-gel technology you would understand that the control of ‘burn’ can be adjusted in the mixture, cutting down incendiary effect and expanding pressure and brisance.
“could these cancers be the result of radiation?”~Señor
>A question is not an answer. As your quote reads it was found the EPA lied about the toxicity of the dust. There is nothing but supposition to the rest of it.
“This shows, even back in 1969, that the govt experimented with using nukes to construct canals…. As this was back in 1969, they likely have perfected very low (or no) radiation nukes. There should be better, more recent articles on this topic, but I didn’t find any so far. Maybe I know why?!”~Señor
>Señor, I don’t mind your speculating. Go ahead, but don’t use this empty bag as an argument to me. I have had enough of this. All of the “maybe maybe maybe”.
And then you are going to complain that I won’t “engage” you in this argument…well that’s because you are grasping at straws to mix with your bullshit to make cook bricks with your hot-salsa dragon breath.
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hybridrogue1 says:
June 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Checkmate Señor:
You say:
“I do not believe Dr. Wood has made a sufficient case for missing steel, gone missing via dustification or vaporization. The energy requirements for such would have been massive. Dustification of concrete is another matter and also requires lots of energy, but not as much as zapping steel would.” Señor El Once – June 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Señor, You have dismissed Wood’s central thesis of total dustification of the Towers, which includes the steel.
Now, you can refine your own hypothesis, but this does not adjust her thesis.
You may not now change the debate to one addressing the Señor Hypothesis, under the same auspices as a debate addressing the Wood Hypothesis.
You have conceded to the argument in fact, without an ADMISSION as to per addressing Wood’s Thesis.
I would have left this point unmentioned, but for the fact of your continual badgering with reference to “Agent Rogue”.
I am serious Señor, do not expect any further replies from me.
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Señor El Once : touchy agent Rogue
2012-06-26
Dearest Señor Agent Rogue,
You seem a little touchy, no? Could it be because the aged former boy-wonder genius artist does not like to be proven wrong? Does not like the thinking in his noggin opened up to consider both the validity of other concepts and the invalidity of concepts he holds dear?
I am amazed at how your super high intellect & exceptional computer skills still hasn't figured out how to use <blockquote> to make postings more readable.
If you are going to use the > symbol to flag someone's writing, it should mark the person you are responding to (like email programs do), not the new text you are writing.
And what is with your attributing to me words that I did not write? Back to your old agent tricks of shoving words into my mouth? Pay more attention in my posting to the massive double-quote marks, the indentation of text, and the linked titles before such references that specify the source.
Across two postings (June 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm & June 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm) not even 35 minutes apart you write in response to being addressed as "Señor Agent Rogue":
That's it Once, I've had it with your shit. Don't address me again. ... I am serious Señor, do not expect any further replies from me.
WooHoo!!! How could I be so lucky?!
Okay, I won't expect any further replies. And if it happens, we'll just have to chalk it up to your inability to be a man of your word.
I have my reasons for badgering you as Agent Rogue? The leading one is that your agenda on certain themes [e.g., nothing nuclear can be considered in a serious light] has become clear and doesn't contain human aspects of doubt, uncertainty, reconsidering, ... Quite the contrary, your persona becomes more rigid, close-minded, and unwilling to accept how new information should lead to modifications to or wafflings on previously held opinions.
Your first take on new information in these themes is to attempt to dismiss them. As but one of your earlier examples from 2012-01-25:
I wanted to comment on Judy Wood because I think it is important to sift the BS from the honest effort.
No need for me to expound on how many months you went on-and-on in your book report without the benefit of having read the book. {Speaking of which, how is your good, bad, ugly chapter-by-chapter book review coming now that I've assured a copy got into your hands?}
With your skinny black tie tight around your neck, your sunglasses on, and from deep inside your undisclosed DUMB site, after your first attempts at a wave-off involving "loony" labeling, your second attempt goes after those themes by reaching into dubious sources. Greg Jenkins, Frank Legge, and John Bursill are but a few examples of support players you've relied on. [They have nuggets of truth, for sure, but when you reached for them, you were positioning them as the final authority, as if you were 100% their fan with no CYA words of caution. Did your agency managers tell you what sources to use?]
The most dubious game I've noticed you play when you suffered a loss in an early round is to come back and claim in round n: "Carousel! Merry-go-round! Roundabout! I have addressed this before and therefore on the weight of that dismiss this yet again!" When it fact you didn't. Very clever.
You played the game of doubting whether I had the scientific chops to question the work of Dr. Jones. I did, but you didn't which your "boojie woojie high school chemistry" from the JFK/LBJ era repeatedly proved. I left you with the Spring Break assignment of contacting the good doctor yourself with the concerns I outlined. You never did. Instead you went to Frank Legge and threw up documents from Kevin Ryan.
Tell me, Agent Rogue. To what do we owe your frequency of postings? You've done a lot of steering of this forum. I've enjoyed your writings in other areas, but you went a little bit overboard in establishing and maintaining your truther legend by the faux battles you've stoked with Señor A. Wright and Señor OneBornFree. A couple of rounds you get for free, but n rounds? Shit, you're so quick to [promise to] throw in the towel with me -- a damned duped useful idiot with valid points --, yet you are so eager to keep getting it on with them again and again?
You've played a lot of not-so-friendly debate games with me, like putting words into my mouth (see above for the latest example), building strawmen, clever ad hominems, and even outright lies. I have been very tolerant by not FRAMING them as LIES but as oversights. But they have been adding add up. Here's a short list to refresh your memory: nuclear fizzle, Dr. Jones logic errors in his no-nukes paper, the 55 factor increase to tritium trace levels, the evidence of radiation as well as the reports that document it, etc.
Here's another good example. I wrote across two different postings (June 24, 2012 at 1:46 pm and June 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm):
WFC-1, WFC-2, WFC-3, Bankers Trust, Millennium Hotel, etc. were all within the radius of a “pyroclastic flow with hot nanothermitic particles”, had broken windows through which the “pyroclastic flow with hot nanothermitic particles” would (and did) enter, yet had no office fires as far as I know.
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Why didn’t burning particles from your plastmastic flow clouds ignite many office fires in adjacent buildings, yet had the persistence to attack metal in cars [within that radius] to make them pop-off?
What does Agent Rogue respond with?
Surely you jest? The adjacent buildings ended up burnt out, blasted out, and crushed husks.
Ah, to my knowledge, WFC-1, WFC-2, WFC-3, Bankers Trust, Millennium Hotel, etc. had windows blown out and parts of their fascade impacted with energetically ejected beams and external wall sections from the towers, but none of them "ended up burnt out, blasted out, and crushed husks." They ended up dusty husks, for sure, but it was the very dust -- according to you -- that should have torched them like it torched cars. The dust didn't, so maybe it didn't torch the cars either and something more line-of-sight and electromagnetic did.
The fact that a Tritium Report was written -- let alone whether or not we can trust its contents -- is a MASSIVE SMOKING GUN of nuclear hijinx on 9/11. The decade since 9/11 has seen govt institutions (EPA, NIST, FEMA, ...) lying or misframing results or not doing their investigative job, which ought to be reason enough to revisit their reports on radiation and question their completeness and veracity. To further bolster this, I provided other seed articles into the theme.
What does Agent Rogue do? His misattributes findings from these articles to me!
Then "his quivering pointing finger wags as he bellows" an empty promise followed by an ad hominem:
I have had enough of this. ... You are grasping at straws to mix with your bullshit to make cook bricks with your hot-salsa dragon breath.
With regards to the games Agent Rogue's plays with his "Checkmate" posting:
Señor, You have dismissed Wood’s central thesis of total dustification of the Towers, which includes the steel.
Can you say: "Nuggets of Truth?"
I've stated all along that I've been mining sources of (dis)information for nuggets of truth. I've got a track record of modifying my opinions based on new information and analysis that necessitated revisiting previously held positions. You and your agency agenda? Not so much.
You act as if I held Dr. Judy Wood up as Mother Theresa and her textbook as the holy scriptures with your "checkmate" claim. Well, you can't put me in checkmate, Agent Rogue, if you have been sitting in check yourself.
When I put my money where my mouth was and purchased you your copy of Dr. Wood's textbook, it was never about getting 100% acceptance of her work. It was always about nuggets of truth contained therein that must be saved.
Were I to guess what disinformation purposes Dr. Wood was assigned when publishing her book (and website), it would have been to wrap together all evidence of 9/11 being a nuclear event (e.g., having nuclear sources involved and not limited to mini-nukes) and put a "Hutchison" spin on it and "free-energy from space". A clue to this end is that she blatantly ignores the tritium report, downplays hot-spots, and when she mused about a potential energy source for DEW, she jumps to Teslian energy from space and/or Hurricane Erin.
Yeah, well, my present bent is nuclear DEW as per Project Excalibur and X-Ray Laser with variations as per The Final Word on The Tritium.
Whereas Agent Rogue is serious:
I am serious Señor, do not expect any further replies from me.
I am serious, too, and persistent, as truth doth require.
25 Rules of Disinformation & 8 Traits of the Disinformationalist
1. Avoidance
2. Selectivity
3. Coincidental
4. Teamwork
5. Anti-conspiratorial
6. Artificial Emotions
7. Inconsistent
8. Time Constant
Do I really harbor such views of Agent Rogue?
For sure, I'm enjoying pushing his buttons with it. Get him out of his comfort zone.
My desire is for Agent Rogue to reflect on his actions that could lead someone to such a conclusions of agency affiliation. Along those same lines and more importantly, he shouldn't be throwing away nuggets of truth (evidence of nuclear activity) in his rabid support of Dr. Jones' sol-gel super-duper nano-thermite, when this cannot explain: duration of under-rubble hot-spots, line-of-sight vehicle damage, the massive energy requirements, massive logistics, etc. For all his diversions into discussion about the real PTB and global agendas spanning centuries, then it is strange that the arsenals of the PTB aren't given a closer look for (public and speculative) mechanisms of destruction that would have made the leveling of the entire WTC complex easier to carry out.
I am serious Señor, do not expect any further replies from me.
Yep, I'll take that as victory. Better bow out now rather than suffer massive defeat to your "sol-gel super-duper nano-thermite" premise later.
Señor El Once : hasn’t figured out how to use <blockquote>
2012-06-26
I am amazed at how your super high intellect & exceptional computer skills still hasn’t figured out how to use <blockquote> to make postings more readable.
If you are going to use the > symbol to flag someone’s writing, it should mark the person you are responding to (like email programs do), not the new text you are writing.
And what is with your attributing to me words that I did not write?
See more at June 26, 2012 at 11:25 am
Señor El Once : clue into the Rogue Agent
2012-06-26
For those interested, here is the link to my June 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm comment on Dr. Wood referenced by Agent Rogue.
This is yet another clue into the Rogue Agent. If his research was astute enough to figure out what I wrote about Dr. Wood on June 13, why did he forget the all important link particularly when it wasn't in this thread?
Just as importantly, why did he not post his reply there -- a friggin' Dr. Wood thread -- where it might have been relevant?
Why did he make a top-level posting in this thread?
Given that he replied to that posting a scant 96 minutes later [where we also have to factor in moderation delays from Mr. McKee] with this June 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm posting, and then a few minutes after that with this June 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm posting... Well, why didn't he bring up his (bogus) "checkmate" at that point in time under that thread?
Because a blatant agent trick of Sr. Rogue is to mess up the comments sections to Truth & Shadows. Despite being an Autodidact Polymath with many years working artistic magic (presumably some of those years with computers) for "Disney, Universal Studios, Stan Winston Studios, and many others too numerous to mention", Señor Rogue has the inconsistent traits of an agent in:
- Not posting things where they belong. Too frequently, he would mess with the readability of an important thread by posting to the top-level, rather finding the appropriate "Reply" link that would put the posting next or close to where he was responding. This is a silly example of him completely missing the thread.
- Not being able to figure out the HTML for <blockquote> to make his postings more readable when he quotes someone.
- Not being able to link things.
Here we have a rare instance of me making two postings in a row on a topic. With Agent Rogue, it has been a lot more common to the point of being overwhelming (e.g., flooding), which even full context of my June 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm posting brings to light.
What does all of this agency suspicion mean for Truth & Shadows?
I'm not saying he should be booted... NO, no, no!!! Better the devil that you know than the one you don't. Agent Rogue writes well and makes many good points (when they aren't dubious), which helps refine my own thinking and waffle-y position.
If he could just act a little bit smarter with regards to the mechanics of how he posts (e.g., where, how frequently, using blog tools & HTML to its fullest) and act a little less like an agent (e.g., "lollipop dismissals", games), why I'd be happy for his participation.
Of course, I should "not expect any further replies from [Agent Rogue]." Something tells me I probably will.
Señor El Once : statistics can be useful: Agent Rogue at 25%
2012-06-26
As long as I'm putting consecutive postings up to annoy subscribers of this thread -- the last consecutive one, I promise --, statistics can be useful. With ~300 postings on this thread so far (including this one):
Agent Rogue: 75 (25%)
Craig McKee: 40 (13%)
Señor El Once: 15 (5%)
I leave it as an exercise for others to run the complete stats on this thread and on other threads. The trend-line will show since Agent Rogue's debut here in early 2012 that his postings immediately started dominating over all other participants.
I have to admit that it was both a shock to my ego and a relief when this started happening, because I was probably the most active participant on T&S until Agent Rogue's output began consistently from thread-to-thread running over me and everyone else by a very wide margin.
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