This article re-purposes discussions about Masonry, the Pleiadians, and other insightful things.
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Part 1: Free-Mason Scape-Goat
On November 29, 1864, peaceful Southern Cheyenne and Arapahoe Indians are massacred by a band of Colonel John Chivington’s Colorado volunteers at Sand Creek, Colorado.
With our 2020 condemnation of Col. Chivington, do internet pot-stirrers focus on his ordination in the Methodist Church as the possible key for this barbarous act? Do they condemn the US Military or its government? No. They bring up that Col. Chivington was a free-mason, and that therefore Masonry is the root of all evil. [That is a red-flag into the reliability of your information source.]
Not that Masonry didn't have influence, and not that Masonry in certain countries of the world doesn't still have some greater influence in select communities. Historically, Masonry was an alternative gathering for thinking men outside of church(es) and without specific religious beliefs as a requirement for fellowship. For this reason, powers that be throughout time have scapegoated Masonry for grander orchestrated ills in the world, so that it would weaken the allure of the fraternity in attracting other free-thinking and honorable men.
To be good and true is the first lessons Masons are taught, and aligns very well with my Christian Science upbringing. Truth is the foundation of every virtue, a synonym for God, and what I am religously fanatical about.
Masonry was on my radar from my youth from male & female relatives on both sides of the family, but not pushed on me in adulthood. Quite the contrary, many had become active in the 1950's and seen it at its peak, and had gotten burned-out on it before I was born. In my late-30's, I began my Masonic journey. Coincidently in that same time frame, 9/11 happened. I was born on the eleventh day of the eleventh month, and eleven days after JFK was assassinated: conspiracy theory is in my blood, but nine-eleven was the klaxon call "to be woke."
Masonry was disappointing on the conspiracy front. Conspiracy theory is politics, and like religion, is an area of discussion that isn't often brought up. Masonry has its value in other areas, hence my continued patronage.
Aligning with my chakras and Truth guidance is why I venture to correct misconceptions about Masonry that are purposely propagated by the disinformationalists and those less decerning in their acceptance of information.
x1 Maxwell C. Bridges : all of NASA's astronauts are Freemasons
2019-12-17
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Dear Mr. John Inacio, you are wrong when you write: "all of NASA's astronauts are Freemasons who are sworn to keep an oath of secrecy." How many lies can be crammed into one sentence?
A few of NASA's astronauts are free-masons, if even that. Were it otherwise and "all", I, as a free-mason, would have known about it. It'd be advertised and promoted among the lodges.
Secondly, the oath of secrecy isn't what you imply. For example, if a brother doesn't request that certain information be kept as a masonic secret (like a brother venting about his job, wife, etc.), I am under no obligation to keep it secret. With the request for keeping a brother's personal secrets as a masonic secret, I can decline before such is divulged to me. Further, murder and treason are excepted even if I accept.
When you consider that astronauts have died or that faking the moon landing probably falls into the category of treason, there would be no expectations that any brother would keep any of it as a masonic secret.
No, the power of Masonic institutions has been on a long, slow, death spiral from a peak in about 1959. Movers and shakers and influencers of opinions have long moved to other groups (like "The Family" and its congressional prayer breakfasts, like Epstein's pedo island). Radio, then television, then cable television, then video rentals, then streaming content, then mobile content ... have gone a long way to gut all types of civic organizations, from church participation to HOA meetings. Everyone has retreated into their own worlds and don't contribute to the community.
Masonry has been scape-goated for centuries, because in the past it represented a group of free-thinking men not under the control of the church or the government.
From now on, you will be doing yourself a favor to remove this false Masonic trope from you conspiracy views. Personal experience, Masons can barely host a pot-luck dinner without the assistance from our better halves.
P.S. The moon has many mysteries; I'm not convinced that man actually went there, particularly with the radiation belt and now the song-and-dance that we lost the technology (and certainly Nixon's real-time phone call to Astronauts on the moon is suspect.)
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x2 Maxwell C. Bridges : you must be a mason
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges you must be a mason.
https://youtu.be/ztjv9uFdKb8
Freemason ritual at NASA
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Maxwell Bridges there's hundreds of videos about free masonary out there most of them aren't saying anything any good about them. Let me know which astronauts are not Freemasons I'll wait for your answer
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x3 Michael W. Lurie : vast majority are totally clueless
2019-12-17
One of the few good things to be said about Freemasons is that the vast majority are totally clueless as to what is going on. There is a reason for the initiation rites at every level of this secret society. ;-)
x4 Maxwell C. Bridges : The really big conspiracy of Masonry is that there is no big conspiracy
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. John Inacio, your reading comprehension is called into question, because I stated up front that I am a Mason.
Over time, many organizations have acquired symbolism from others. For example, alters with holy things on them pre-date even King Solomon's temple. Candles are common place. Alistair Crowley (as an example) was a Mason at one point, and stole / borrowed things for the occult rituals he became famous for later.
I only watched a few minutes of the shuttle video, where somone circled their hands and suggested it was a Masonic sign. No. It is just them not knowing what to do with their hands, made worse by the weightlessness of space. Not masonic signs.
Tons of masonic secrets have leaked out over time. Ever hear the expressions "be square with someone", "to be on the level"? Uses the operative tools of masonry to impart and remind us of spiritual lessons, to be square not just with our brothers in masons but with everyone with whom we come in contact. Masonry is about taking an already good man and making him better. Truth is a divine attribute, the foundation of every virtue, and to be good and true is the first lesson masons are taught.
Point is, I'd be false to my vows if I was telling you lies about Masonry. I am not. Go back and re-read my words.
The really big conspiracy of Masonry is that there is no big conspiracy. Maybe small ones in the personal secrets we might be asked to hold for brothers.
Also, in the text under that video, it says that Masonry is a secret organization. No, it is not. Masonry is very much a public organization that has some secrets (like the exact verbiage used in degrees and the aforementioned masonic secrets we might keep for a brother.) But hell, Masonic buildings are clearly marked; you can observe all who enter; lodges today have websites where current officers are listed.
Mason was on my radar since my youth, when I was a DeMolay. (My father and many relatives were masons, but to my knowledge during my lifetime, few were active.)
I joined Masonry right after 9/11... because it was time and I wanted to know about conspiracies. I've enjoyed my tenure, but have been disappointed on the conspiracy front.
You're getting this from the horse's mouth about what free-masonry really is.
I can say with confidence today that if some otherwise valid conspiracy theory mentions free-masonry, that becomes a huge red flag for me that calls into question the source as well as whatever conspiracy they're promoting.
Lodges are made up of individual brothers. Their interests determine what the lodge does and its character. Whereas there might be a Grand Lodge over all the lodges in an area, their main concern is the accuracy of the work and masonry's reputation among itself. THERE IS NO SUPER-DUPER GRAND LODGE over all of the individual Grand Lodges, which one would think is required if masonry is taking over the world.
The point is, there have been "bad lodges". There have been eras when Masonry was used to include and exclude. But extrapolating misdeeds of individual Masons from by-gone eras as being true for their home lodge and true for all lodges and true for all ages is a huge fallacy. By that logic and more correct, we could also say that because some "bad person" was a Baptist (or name a religion or sect), then everyone from his home church and his religion is also bad. It is a very broad brush that is logically wrong.
At any rate, I've done my community service in disabusing you of falsehoods in your beliefs about Masonry and in some of your sources.
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x5 John Inacio : low-level Masons not part of the club
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges like I said it figures you low-level Masons not part of the club but you'll still defend it... I skipped over most of it cuz I knew it was going to be bulshit
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Michael W. Lurie spot-on I just said that in my last comment lower-level Masons unincluded in what the higher-ups are about
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges did you even watch the video every crew that changed over from the International Space Station they're doing Masonic rituals if you're. Mason maybe you can watch it and let me know if it's correct.
x6 Maxwell C. Bridges : all Master Masons are "on the (same) level"
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. John Inacio, and just exactly what is a "high-level Mason"?
For what it is worth, both the Scottish Rite and York Rite degrees have been conferred upon me; might be in total over 40 separate degrees. Does that make me a "high-level Mason"? No. Because it doesn't work like that. [And it is your ignorance that has you assume such, and has you not listen to me when I try to disabuse you of the errors in your beliefs.]
In fact, all Master Masons are "on the (same) level".
A leadership role in a masonic organization might elevate a brother briefly above the ranks... Because someone has to have the authority to give the final word on what time the pot-luck dinner starts... Geesh! But after their run up the progressive officer line -- each station providing different responsibilities --, they return back to the ranks, and the next guy in line gets to make decisions on stupid shit.
Here you are, a conspiracy theorist on the internet (like myself). Kudos to your open-mindedness and objectivity that allows you to consider perspectives and theories that were ~not~ rammed down your throat by government propaganda and mass media.
But let this be proof that even the best conspiracy theorists can suffer from cognitive dissonance, where your objectivity isn't on display.
Here you have in front of you, as damn close as you are ever going to get to a real, live, active Free-Mason, who is bound by obligations of truth that you could probably Google, and you have the gall to dismiss me and practically label me a liar?
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Before I could complete this comment, you wrote: "did you even watch the video every crew that changed over from the International Space Station they're doing Masonic rituals..."
Yes, I watched, but NO, THEY ARE NOT DOING MASONIC RITUALS. A handshake -- and clumsy ones at that -- does not rise to the level of "masonic rituals" and barely fits into the paradigm of a half-hearted masonic handshake... And holding their hands to keep them from drifting while in space, ain't nothing Masonic about that at all. (Astronauts have velcro on their sleeping bags to fix them in place so they don't drift while sleeping.)
You are being duped.
Here's a great conspiracy for you, or the debunking of a conspiracy, depending on your perspective. In terms of connections, affiliations, networking, advancement, secret knowledge, or any other imagined right or benefit of Masonic membership, Free-Masonry offers to these astronauts or public leaders VERY LITTLE. Sure, they'll benefit personally with the endeavor to become a Master Mason. By after that, nada, nichts, nix, nill, null, zero.
Of course, to prove me wrong, I encourage you to go down to your local Masonic Temple and get a hold of one of its members. The secretary is usually the most accessible. [Or contact them through their website and email.] The big disappointment for you will be that they'll tell you what I'm telling you.
Like me in my curiousness for conspiracy theories, you could go through the steps of becoming a Mason. It won't conflict with any duties you owe to your God, your neighbor, your family, or yourself. But, alas, even after the blind-folds are taken off for the third time, there also won't be anything "illuminati" about it. Sorry.
P.S. The above takes nothing away from astronauts or military officers being part of other "brotherhoods" (e.g., VFW) or secret organizations, and who knows what symbolism they might have borrowed. But you've been talking Free-Masonry, something I've been intimately involved with since 2002 (if we discount my youth and those in my family who were Masons). On this front, you've been duped and are grossly in error -- as expected when some other nefarious organization (NWO, CFR, Catholic Church, etc.) wants to shift the blame.
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x7 John Inacio : Buzz Aldrin says the TRUTH
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges this guy https://youtu.be/JpQDVcgevMM
Finally - Buzz Aldrin says the TRUTH !
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Finally - Buzz Aldrin says the TRUTH !
x8 Maxwell C. Bridges : vast majority are totally clueless (as to what is going on), then "what is going on" isn't really part of the organization
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. Michael W. Lurie, you wrote: "One of the few good things to be said about Freemasons is that the vast majority are totally clueless as to what is going on."
If the vast majority are totally clueless (as to what is going on), then "what is going on" isn't really part of the organization and shouldn't be associated with the vast majority or the organization itself.
Because I count myself as part of the vast majority of clueless Free-Masons, maybe you should enlighten me as to "what is going on."
Like I said, I went into Masonry with a conspiracy chip on my shoulder. I've been disappointed on that front. And had I discovered "what is going on" and found it objectionable as you imply (and the scape-goating nefarious propaganda implies), then I as well as the vast majority would no longer be a part of it.
Masonry isn't like the Catholic church and its pedophiles, because the vast majority in the church DO KNOW what is going on. But it is their church, their religion, their very salvation, so they aren't going to dimit.
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x9 Nancy Jones : chatting about classified material to fellow Masonic brothers
2019-12-17
Maxwell Bridges I don't think the astronauts would be chatting about classified material to fellow Masonic brothers!!! After all their missions were classified and they would not have been able to just chat about it even in one of your secret co-called meetings. And, BTW, are you perhaps a shill?
x10 Michael W. Lurie : one of the under-informed folk
2019-12-17
Nancy Jones, I doubt that he's a shill. Sounds a lot more like one of the under-informed folk that are commonly referred to as "useful idiots" by those in the know.
x11 Maxwell C. Bridges : free-masonry adds no secrecy benefit to them
2019-12-17
Dear Ms. Nancy Jones, you are absolutely correct about classified military missions. And of the military members I've known through lodge, nothing they did from their military days would have been chatted about in meetings ... And with charges of treason having stiff penalties including death, they also wouldn't be discussing it one-on-one with other trusted brothers, unless they were also military and could relate. Outside of lodge, mostly the military chatter was stupid things that happened, exotic places they were stationed, how many times they were blown up in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Masonry does do a lot of military ass kissing and overly patriotic "thank you for your service".
And because of this, free-masonry adds no secrecy benefit to them. Realistically, the only things that would inspire someone from the military (including NASA) to become a Mason are: respected family members who were Masons, respected military brothers who were Masons, or the longing for a deeper brotherhood.
You call me a shill! Exactly what am I shilling for? I'm just correcting the record and gross disinformation that swamps the internet, scape-goating Masons as the root of all evil.
As for you Mr. Michael W. Lurie, you should FB friend me and then school me properly on all of the bad things that Free-Masonry is actively doing today, region by region, state by state, lodge by lodge.
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x12 Michael W. Lurie : Ignorance is bliss...
2019-12-17
I think not, Maxwell. Ignorance is bliss...
x13 John Inacio : In Jolly Old England
2019-12-17
John Inacio
And they just signed a contract to get more helium imagine what they do with all that helium. NASA stands for never a straight answer. I wonder what they do with that helium it might involve a fisheye lens though
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In Jolly Old England if there's a job for a constable and 21 men want the job but 11 of them are masons it's between the 11 for the job the others are not even considered. What say you mr. Maxwell Bridges????? Would I be correct with that statement?
John Inacio
Buzz Aldrin trolling the ultimate troll
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x14 Maxwell C. Bridges : conflating what happened in Jolly Old England with what happens in Podunk, Montanta
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. John Inacio, what you wrote about Jolly Old England ~was~ probably maybe possibly perfectly valid and true for a by-gone era.
The false basis that all of you have is in conflating what happened in Jolly Old England with what happens in Podunk, Montanta or Bueno Aires, Argentina; in conflating a by-gone era with today; and in conflating badness of individuals (let alone from a different era) with the whole institution today.
Masonry is a product of the people involved as well as political dynamics of the geography and the era and mores of the times.
Colonel John Chivington was a Mason, and he was in charge of the Colorado volunteers at Sand Creek, Colorado for the massacre of Indians. Not our country's finest moment. He was also an American Methodist pastor. Do you see people with glasses from this century condemning all Methodists for this massacre? No, the propaganda scape-goats the Masons.
It has only been in my lifetime that AF&AM accepted blacks as Mason. Hence, Prince Hall Lodges were established in the South for blacks; separate but equal in intent. It has only been this century that I, as an AF&AM mason, have even been permitted to visit a Prince Hall Lodge, and vice versa.
The sensibilities and expectations of the lodge change with the times, just like all other institutions.
Your cognitive dissonance on the subject of Masonry -- from a complete state of ignorance -- has you misconstrue historical things with what is going on today, and you won't hear my words of truth about how it really is TODAY.
In your Jolly Old England statement today about 11 jobs for a constable that 21 men want, the number of applicants who are masons would be closer to 1 (or 0) today. What part of "Masrony is dying" don't you understand?
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x15 Maxwell C. Bridges : willing to be schooled proper
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. Michael W. Lurie, I wrote: "You should ... school me properly on all of the bad things that Free-Masonry is actively doing today, region by region, state by state, lodge by lodge."
Your pithy response: "I think not, Maxwell. Ignorance is bliss..."
Clearly it is not my ignorance, because I'm willing to be schooled proper.
Because we've had go-arounds in other areas of 9/11, the ignorance you speak of must be your own, and you are happy to wallow in it.
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x16 Michael W. Lurie : don't want to mess up your bliss
2019-12-17
No, champ. I don't want to mess up your bliss.
x17 Maxwell C. Bridges : undermines everything you were trying to accomplish
2019-12-17
In high school sophomore writing class, I learned that over-generalizations in position pieces are easy to defeat. All it takes is for one exception to destroy the whole argument being made.
At its core, the statement "all of NASA's astronauts are Freemasons" is easily refuted by finding one exception, the one astronaut who isn't a Mason. Turns out, women cannot be AF&AM Masons, and there have been more than one female astronauts. Moreover, I only am aware of two or three astronauts who were Masons, out of a large number.
I don't mean for this deviant Masonic discussion to distract from the more important arguments about the validity of the moon landings.
But when you can't get simple facts correct, when an expert in the field (an active Master Mason formerly in Scottish Rite and York Rite) gives you correct and truthful information, and when you ridicule the attempt at a reasoned and rational discussion that corrects your facts, ...
Why, that just undermines everything you were trying to accomplish, and pegs your efforts as well as your character in an unfavorable light.
Moreover, I've had unsatisfactory discussions with Mr. Michael Lurie in the past (on 9/11 themes, I believe), where he essentially did the similar weasel moves of "you are wrong, but I'm too stupid to tell you why or where you are wrong". When those circus distractions gets FB likes and LOL faces from others like the owner of this thread (Mr. John Inacio), it undermines both the goal of the thread (moon landing hoax) as well as personally those who participated.
Sad, because this Master Mason might actually be in the same camp and just wants Truth.
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x18 John Inacio : space changing over Commanders
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges if you watch the video I posted about the space changing over Commanders even the Russian guys were doing the Mason thing stop trying to defend it I'm not reading your big long paragraphs goodnight
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x19 Michael W. Lurie : chatting about classified material to fellow Masonic brothers
2019-12-17
Maxwell Bridges I don't think the astronauts would be chatting about classified material to fellow Masonic brothers!!! After all their missions were classified and they would not have been able to just chat about it even in one of your secret co-called meetings.
x20 Maxwell C. Bridges : shook hands is what I saw
2019-12-17
John Inacio, they were doing a thing, but not a Mason thing. Get real. They shook hands is what I saw.
The circles that some YouTube idiot put over the astronauts holding their hands, isn't a Masonic anything. If it is anything at all, it is a public speaking trick to give your hands something to do (e.g., nothing) rather than have them hang at your sides, or be jammed in your pockets, or float in the air of the space station.
You just can't admit any sliver of doubt that you are wrong,
Sad.
Starts to undermine your character and gives a nefarious agenda to what you post.
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x21 John Inacio : no matter what you say I'm not going to believe you
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges. Don't be as stupid as this video no matter what you say I'm not going to believe you
https://youtu.be/RXu3Ng8moDQ
Creepy video of Malena Ernman Thunberg, the mother of Greta Tunberg
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x22 Michael W. Lurie : Order of the Eastern Star
2019-12-17
Maxwell Bridges The Order of the Eastern Star is a Masonic appendant body open to both men and women. It was established in 1850 by lawyer and educator Rob Morris, a noted Freemason, but was only adopted and approved as an appendant body of the Masonic Fraternity in 1873. The Order of the Eastern Star is it not the female counterpart to the Masons?
x23 Maxwell C. Bridges : how many female astronauts are members of the Order of Eastern Star?
2019-12-17
Dear Ms. Nancy Jones, and how many female astronauts are members of the Order of Eastern Star?
The claim you seem to be supporting is that all astronauts are Masons. OES is affiliated with Masonry, has a similar structure and aims, but it is not Masonry. But hey, for the sake of this discussion, let us assume that OES is the same as Masonry.
You make the claim that female astronauts are either Masons or OES, therefore you prove it. It isn't my job to make your case.
And let me just add, if there were a female astronaut (let alone your premise that supposedly ~all~ female astronaut) who was a member of OES, by golly, I would want to know. Moreover, I'd see the gray-haired ladies of OES proudly proclaiming this. Astronauts in our ranks would be a feather in our caps! (Neil Armstrong is the only masonic astronaut that I'm aware of for sure, but there could be more.)
Membership in Masonic Organizations is not secret, except sometimes data-integrity efforts are made to prevent scraping of personal information for the purposes of spam mail.
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x24 John Inacio : commemorative coins for the moon landing with the Freemason emblem
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell Bridges will you shut up NASA has commemorative coins for the moon landing with the Freemason emblem right on it stop already
x25 Maxwell C. Bridges : completely and entirely sums you up to a negative number.
2019-12-17
Dear Mr. John Inacio, I haven't the foggiest clue as to how the video of Greta's mother relates to anything in this discussion. Looks to me like you've reached the bottom of your knowledge barrel.
I absolutely love your grammar-challenged sentence:
"Don't be as stupid as this video no matter what you say I'm not going to believe you"
Truly, a statement as stupid as "no matter what you say I'm not going to believe you" completely and entirely sums you up... And it totals to a negative number.
Only agents toting agendas have the luxury of never considering evidence contrary to their premise and of never changing their minds.
Thank you for that.
I now know that you are insincere, and probably everything you promote is in some fashion disinformation. Even if I believe in the Moon Landing Hoax, when I see it defended badly, it points at poisoning the well and not at truth.
It is good to know who the agents and shills are.
You can carry on without me. Let's pull the Emergency Stop on this carousel.
Please don't tag me any more or respond to my comments. No matter what I write, you're not going to believe me. What is the point?
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x26 John Inacio : it's called humor
2019-12-17
John Inacio
Maxwell it's called humor I have reached my limit you are correct
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x27 Michael W. Lurie : How many female astronauts are members of the order of the Eastern Star?
2019-12-17
Maxwell Bridges I don't know. How many female astronauts are members of the order of the Eastern Star? I do not know the answer to that. And what about the Shriners? All Shriners are Masons and all Masons are not Shriners . yes?
Maxwell Bridges You did not understand my statement. If you had bothered to look through these threads than you would have seen my reply. I don't know. How many female astronauts are members of the order of the Eastern Star? I do not know the answer to that? And, what about the Shriners? All Shriners are Masons but all Masons are not Shriners . yes?
x28 Maxwell C. Bridges : no over-riding hierarchy that can push down edicts to the different Grand Lodges
2019-12-17
Dear Ms. Nancy Jones, You have to be a Mason in good standing in order to become a Shriner and remain in good standing with a local lodge. (Means keep your dues paid; you don't have to be active.) Same is true for Scottish Rite and York Rite. So, yes, all Shriners are Masons, but all Masons are not Shriners (or Scottish Rite or York Rite).
The point you miss. There is no over-riding hierarchy that can push down edicts to the different Grand Lodges (in the US, let alone the world), nor to the different "Valleys" of SR, YR, or Shriners. Such a path for information flow would be required to get Masons on the same page to take over the world.
The OES has some Masonic requirements, like a token number 2 spot who has to be a Mason in good standing. Other than that, the ladies run it themselves and do their thing.
You've refused to listen to my words of truth as an insider.
Any Mason (or OES) of notoriety or fame is lauded by the fraternity and promoted to prospects: "See?!!! We be cool!" President Harry Truman, Neil Armstrong, Walt Disney (DeMolay), President Bill Clinton (DeMolay), John Wayne... are a few that come to mind.
Any OES member who was an astronaut would have received the same treatment, and the Masonic community would be falling over themselves to kiss them on the ass.
Be that as it may, the original statement that I was simply trying to have Mr. John Inacio correct was that "~all~ astronauts are Masons." The female astronauts alone proves this premise wrong, but even among the males, this premise is false. And if it were true or even a fraction of it were true (e.g., "~many~ astronauts are masons"), it would be used far and wide as a recruiting tool to increase our dying membership.
When you google Masonry, it is helpful if you study what Masons say about themselves: plenty of lodge and Grand Lodge web pages are available to tell you what we stand for and do.
THEN go to web pages not associated with Masons but steep in conspiracy theory, and take what they say with a grain of salt. Many were never Masons, so how would they know? And if the only nefarious references are 75+ years ago to isolate instances and geographic to other countries or specific regions and eras of our country, let that be a clue. Let other clues be the (un) reliabliness of the other information in the conspiracy piece.
[Yes, more than a century and a half ago in Germany, a lodge tried to make themselves special: Illuminati. Because they were being unmasonic, they were expelled by the GL and were no longer part of the order. Yes, Alfred PIke wrote a lot of crazy shit in his comparative religion diatribes that nobody has the patience to slog through today. Yes, Alistair Crowley was a Mason and went on to form all sorts of occult offshoots that re-used many of the trappings of Masonry.]
You don't want to hear it, but power and influence long ago left free-masonry, and migrated to "the Family", Council on Foreign Relations, NWO, Davos, etc. It is helpful to them to continue to scape-goat Masons.
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x29 Nancy Jones : ok, I get it
2019-12-17
Maxwell Bridges ok, I get it.
Part 2: Jesus Discussion with Eric Sandstrom, P.j. Winters
x31 Eric Sandstrom : Belief, Judgment, and Eternal Life
March 27 at 4:24 PM
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
John 3:16 “...The message of Christianity has always been this, that everybody in the world is headed for eternal hell to be punished forever for their sins—everyone. However, there is heaven. There is eternal heaven of joy and bliss and peace and satisfaction and fulfillment forever. How does one escape hell and get to heaven? That’s the message of Christianity. And the answer is by faith, not by works, but by faith, not by religion but by believing. That’s the message of Christianity, “For by grace are you saved through faith, not of works.” It’s not about your morality, it’s not about your virtue, it’s not about your philanthropy, not about your ceremonies, rituals, religious activities. The only way to escape hell and enter heaven is by believing, believing by faith. ...”
Belief, Judgment, and Eternal Life:
http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/43-17
x33 Maxwell C. Bridges : composite figure of a "Jesus Christ"
2020-03-27
I call bullshit on that meme and/or sentiment. The composite figure of a "Jesus Christ" is being misconstrued completely wrongly even before the compositeness of Jesus from many predecessors is exposed.
Look into Amazon (or in general) for "Pleiadians".
"Jesus" taught us about what was already within us, what was already our innate abilities, that we could heal ourselves (and others) through loving thoughts & deeds.
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x35 Eric Sandstrom : truth is found outside of a person
2020-03-27
Maxwell Bridges oh no! Truth does not come from within , truth is found outside of a person . Truth that gets one to heaven is only found in the Bible you have to believe the message about Christ according to the Scriptures that is your only hope of escaping judgment.
x37 Maxwell C. Bridges : Jesus didn't have a Bible
2020-03-27
Dear Mr Eric Sandstrom, I call bullshit on that notion of truth only being found in the Bible, because Jesus didn't have one (with the new testament for sure), so your logic fails. You've been brain washed. Apply some objectivity and you'll find truth elsewhere as well. //
x39 Eric Sandstrom : Do you leave possibility?
2020-03-27
Maxwell Bridges Lots to address here. Even in your first comment
Thanks for bringing up the topics, Something to think about In the meantime.
Question:
Do you leave possibility when it comes to the things of God/Jesus/The Bible/truth:
Do you leave possibility that you could be in error to the way things really are?
2020-03-27
Maxwell Bridges
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Meme: "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH." Job 38:4 Knowing-Jesus.com
x43 Eric Sandstrom : whoever orchestrated/created the Pleiades knows More than you
2020-03-27
Maxwell Bridges
Interesting that you mention the Pleiades.... Have you ever thought whoever orchestrated/created the Pleiades knows More than you? The unwavering position which is also my belief is in fact that the creator of the heavenly bodies is also the author of scripture. That’s my foundation I mention this in hopes of helping you understand what I mean by what I say.
The topic here in the post above is to simply believe in Jesus in order to have everlasting life.
SIMPLY BELIEVE
https://youtu.be/yaSkuMU6vT4
Quickly I would like to counter again that Jesus never taught that truth comes from within us, if Truth came from inside us that would imply to trust our own heart, and based on Jeremiah 17:9 -
“The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?”
Those who know God know to trust one’s inner feelings Intellect, emotion & will is not only wrong but is deadly dangerous.
Tragically many go to their grave trusting in their own heart even while knowing that it is contrary to what the Bible/God clearly says.
I watched my uncle die a couple years ago still hostile to the fact that he was not a good person in the eyes of God. denying the Bible. He perished. sigh
as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
Romans 3:10,12
It is my hope/prayer that you’re not one that will continually deny Jesus/God/the Bible
If there was ever a time & topic to receive correction Scripture says "...now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation"
When I think of verses like this in Proverbs in 15:10b
“the one who hates correction will die.”
I’m reminded of the very serious death warned about in Scripture. It is the SECOND DEATH
https://www.gotquestions.org/second-death.html
The 2nd death is a living death Both body and soul forever.
Suffering in a body with a fully informed conscience confined to Deep pit consuming darkness, Darkness that closes in far out from any Light Forever,
I cannot think of anything worse. It's worse than anybody could fathom scripture even speaks about worms eating a body Analogous to death of a body and though worms continually eat the body the worms never die i.e.
Illustration in the Old Testament:
"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." Isaiah 66:24
Reality of hell in the New Testament Jesus speaking:
"If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.
Mark 9:45-46
"It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:31
"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.”
Luke 12:5
The truth about God which harbors the most important truths in the world comes from outside of us and it’s contained in one chassis of 66 books we know as THE HOLY BIBLE
It is only the enemy of our souls who would lead us or even cast doubt upon the clear spoken word of God.
I'm remembering and event in history when God told Adam and Eve
"You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
and then the deceiver/Satan who is alive and well today influencing us in the world came to Eve and cast doubt on what God had already said clearly. The devil said to Eve Casting doubt on the word of God Satan Persuades eve to question God by asking
"Has God really said..."
And then The enemy of our souls went further and lied by saying "you will not surely die"
That is the same deception going on today i.e.
Step 1. cast doubt on the Bible/Gods word
Step 2. Persuade you to believe a lie.
Today it Isn't personally the devil coming to you. Rather this world is the devils world he is the god of this age/world
(2 Corinthians 4:3-4 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.)
The world is orchestrated this way. The devil has set up the world to deceive you.
It's in our School systems From kindergarten -to elite universities, evolution dressed up as science etc.
knowledge of the truth is in the Bible there are many truths but the one truth I’m most concerned about is the truth that saves YOUR soul from judgment.
Anyone who comes to me God says I will not cast out , God is near , Scripture says, it is in Him that we move and breathe and have our being.
"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name." John 20:30-31
Signs That Lead to Salvation
http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/43-114
Meme: Open Bible next and reflected in a mirror. "Can you bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?" ~Job 38:31
x45 Maxwell C. Bridges : you could be in error to the way things really are
2020-03-27
Dear Mr. Eric Sandstrom, You asked the question:
"Do you leave possibility that you could be in error to the way things really are?"
I lob that same question rhetorically right back at you. Do you? Are you that open-minded?
My upbringing and most of my religious life until this century was in Christian Science, which distinguishes itself from other Christian denominations by bringing back the lost element of Christian healing as taught and exhibited by Jesus Christ. "These works, and more and greater works will you do." Ergo, I am one step ahead of you in understanding the most certain "possibility when it comes to the things of God/Jesus/The Bible/truth."
I was taught to take "the inspired word of the Bible as my sufficient guide to eternal life." Not "every word" but just "the inspired word." And nowhere does this exclude research that takes a sincere seeker of Truth -- as I am -- from other sources of information.
From 25,000 feet without getting into specific scripture passages, the Holy Bible has many issues. It isn't just that the Bible has many different authors who in most cases were not even first-hand observers of the events they recorded, or that it had countless editors, translators, and publishers who applied metrics of their own personal agendas to the text and removing text.
They say, "history is written by the victor."
The over-riding issue with the Bible is that it is an incomplete history of mankind on this planet. Its strengths are using allegory and metaphor for lessons on multiple intellectual levels, sometimes merely describing an event without fully understanding the possible machinations leading to such, that we with modern lenses of science might more readily grasp in detail.
"Can you bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?" ~Job 38:31
Written in the ancient book of Job in the Holy Bible, how infeasible the thought even then of preventing the Pleiadians from providing their wonderful, beautiful, lush, sweet influences on mankind.
In 2020, damn if I'm not getting fat off of Pleiadian influence, as I suddenly know innately more of the truth of my existence, human history, and connect the dots. Dare I say, Jesus was heavily influenced by the Pleiadians as well. And you could be, too.
https://www.amazon.com/Bringers-Dawn-Pleiadians-Barbara-Marciniak-ebook/dp/B005CW624E/ref=sr_1_4
"Do you leave possibility that you could be in error to the way things really are?"
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x47 Maxwell C. Bridges : what is the Pleiadian influence? Who TF are the Pleiadians?
2020-03-27
Dear Mr. Eric Sandstrom, I know you're thinking
"what is the Pleiadian influence? Who TF are the Pleiadians?"
[Begin bat-shit crazy]
They are us in the distant future. They want to evolve to the next spiritual level, but are prevented from such until they correct a mistake in the past. They are not happy with their timeline, and recognized certain key points in time that helped determine which decision branches were taken. We happen to be living just after one of those key points in time, with the decision branches probably right now upon us.
It requires putting our human distant past into perspective.
We are many (alien) species combined, because our creator Gods were experts in DNA manipulation. Reptilians were inhabitants of this planet prior to our creation (and to this day, they went underground), and their DNA was part of our initial genetic foundation; Reptilians are our kin. We are exceptional beings with great powers.
We and Earth have been fought over fo eons. After one particular war, the victors (as documented in Genesis) took our four-stranded 12 helix DNA and made the double-helix with lots of "junk DNA." They dumbed us down, and placated us with bread & circuses & religion.
Seeded by Pleiadian influences, we can meditate / pray / resonate the love frequency that will help re-align the "junk DNA" into the four stranded twelve helix DNA of our creation. When we reach our full love potention, we can achieve even greater works that Jesus.
What are vaccines' role?
The myths and legends all have truth. What messages are mass media trying to condition us for? Aliens and super-heros.
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x49 P.j. Winters : many rooms in the Lord's house
2020-03-27
The Lords house has many rooms.
x51 Maxwell C. Bridges : A (way to God/Love...)
2020-03-27
Dear Mr. P.J. Winters, Agreed.
I am a religious fanatic; I am fanatical about Truth.
When someone writes (paraphrased): "THE ONLY way to God / Love is through Jesus Christ..."
I can't help but get tweaked, in that it is just so untrue. And it is really just two words that rankle: "THE ONLY." If they were simply replaced with "A (way to God/Love...)", I'd have no issue.
You know you're being duped when the gas lighter has you exclude other influences, and demands that you believe exactly as the Pope, Bischop, Pastor, Reverend, Bible Teacher interprets and pontificates about some passage.
Jesus had Pleiadians influences, as did many of his predecessors that make up the composite persona of Jesus.
"In the Lords house are many mansions. Were it otherwise, I would have told you so."
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Part 3: Aliens and Pleiadians
x53 Maxwell C. Bridges : My Achilles Heel: Pleiadian...
In the conspiracy theory realm, it seems like everyone has an Achilles Heel, like a 9/11 Truther rationally arguing controlled demolition but then go full retard on "all videos were fake, nothing is real."
My Achilles Heel ready to implode all of my worthy work on 9/11 (JFK, OKC, etc.) is... aliens, who I have never met or seen that I know of. It is a field fraught with (active) disinformation -- for centuries.
Here's a video worth watching. If you are unfamiliar with Pleiadians or Elizabeth April, suspend your doubts and remain open. This video ties much together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mrgx1F4B4
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x55 Maxwell C. Bridges : Pleiadian Message
2020-07-17
Interesting. A discussion with someone just disappeared.
This was the follow-up link I had posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vE8yFzh8LA
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The Pleiadian Message A Wake Up Call For the Family of Light 2020
YOUTUBE.COM
x57 Josh Bempechat : Censorship, lol
2020-07-17
Its called Censorship, lol.
x59 Maxwell C. Bridges : you who did the censoring
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. Josh Bempechat, and you're the one who did the censoring. You deleted your top-level comment and all discussion underneath it.
You make me hesitant to respond to any more top-level comments of yours.
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x61 Josh Bempechat : when i went to post it, everything was gone
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
No I didn't. That's a joke. I was writing a whole retort and when i went to post it, everything was gone, and you are the one who posted this and has control, so you censored my post, DUH!
x63 Maxwell C. Bridges : One of the admins is the likely culprit
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. Josh Bempechat, indeed I do have some control over what goes on underneath my posting, I did not exercise such power; you say you did not exercise your power to delete a top-level comment.
One of the admins to this Aliens FB group then is the likely culprit. It did take some time for my posting to be approved.
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x65 Josh Bempechat : Lets work for truth.
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
I appreciate that, Maxwell. I apologize for accusing you then. Lets work together, not against each other. Lets work for truth.
x67 Josh Bempechat : no Pleiadians but New Age con job by the elite
2020-07-17
There are no Pleiadians. Its all New Age con job by the elite. Its called MK-Ultra. Most people are not aware that MK-Ultra at the higher levels was all about aliens and creating a New Age alien religion. It was aided with the help of Loyywood, who, in the 1950's alone, made literally hundreds and hundreds of sci-fi films with UFOs and aliens and themes of everything from Nuclear holocaust on earth to adventures in space with all kinds of beings. They were creating a storyline. At the same time, the government was experimenting with brain implants and then moved to remote brain control interfaces. This is when they started the channeling material. Some of the first people to claim "contact" or channels from outer space were just Intelligence officers with well written scripts, but then they became successful in actually abducting people and hypnotizing them and seeding material in their heads, for when they return to their normal lives. Then there's the worst class of all, the opportunist. A person who knows about all this, and jumps on the bandwagon to promote her own selfish agenda, relying on the "goodhearted" people in humanity who are naive enough to be conned into believing in Pleiadians.
x69 Maxwell C. Bridges : I've become a dupe useful idiot for the Pleiadians
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. Josh Bempechat, I am taking a leap of faith that this discussion won't be purged by either of us, discussing in good faith.
According to you, there are no Pleiadians. According to themselves and they being also jokers, you might be right. Because technically, the Pleiadians are "us" in the future so don't yet exist on the linear time line. They have been channeling to us now (since 1980's) so that we can make a fork in the timeline (do something differently) to avoid the future that is "them".
They are prevented from evolving to the next level by a decisions into our health and well-being now. We, as a spiritual creation, were also designed to evolve. The PTB want to keep us dumb and fearful. If I were to name factors that prevent our evolution, I'd say it was our "borg"-ification along with vaccines, chemtrails, pesticides, fluroide (sp), and drugs that chemically change our DNA and zap the genetically created human's true potential.
Yeah, I guess I've become a dupe useful idiot for the Pleiadians, but in a measured fashion. I know it can be infiltrated, so I don't take all Pleiadian messaging as the truth. (To date, I have not run across any that I'd deem deliberate Pleaidian disinformation, but I'm sure some exists and will by AI cycled through my FB feeds soon.) In fact, all your name dropping of MK ULTRA etc. certainly happens, as well as the crimes against children.
The karmic trap seems like a real bad deal, the more I learn of the "mechanics" of our duality -- spiritual and material.
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x71 TJ Knitter : too late to stop the creation of this new religion
2020-07-17
Josh Bempechat
I think it's too late to stop the creation of this new religion. They have holy books, prophets, and block out anything that counters their belief system. Asking them to keep an open mind or remain skeptical gets you called a troll.
x73 Josh Bempechat : no evidence but in the minds of people
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
There is no evidence for any of this except in the minds of people with fantastic imaginations. I read Barbara Hand Clow and Barbara Marciniak when I was 18-20 years old back in 1990. I used to be a rainbow light warrior unicorn mermaid baby, like yourselves. I was brainwashed by this for a short period of time, and then I saw the truth, as most people do, who stumble upon space dung. Its all a bunch of lies to keep you from being effective politically.
x75 TJ Knitter : Tesla Jesus
2020-07-17
Josh Bempechat
Post a picture of Tesla to this group. Post a picture of Jesus in a christian group. Compare notes.
x77 Maxwell C. Bridges : the Pleiadian validity from a completely different direction
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. Josh Bempechat, You are absolutely correct that, in the minds of people, that's where the evidence is at! Congratulations on having read the works when they first came out. I am envious.
But to some degree, I have advantages in my being a latter-day, lurker reader and avoiding some of the "fad" of the early adopters. More importantly, I have an upbringing in Christian Science, so I ~KNOW~ of the Pleiadian validity from a completely different direction.
"Its all a bunch of lies to keep you from being effective politically."
Lies? You haven't proven.
Certainly, though, there is truth in the prevention of us being effective politically, but this has more to do with external forces implemented by those who don't want us to be aware: so many distractions from television to sports to porno... Get us dumbed down and ready and accepting of our Matrix pods.
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x79 TJ Knitter : truth seekers on a wild goose chase
2020-07-17
Josh Bempechat
Keeping a large group of truth seekers on a wild goose chase sounds like a pretty straight forward conspiracy. They won't look out at the world around them if they are stuck in a closet talking to themselves about aliens.
x81 Maxwell C. Bridges : mischaracterize
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. TJ Knitter
(if I have your gender wrong, you have my apologies and I will amend.) I think you mischaracterize. //
x83 TJ Knitter : AAT is a religion.
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
I think I've been around enough to say it with confidence. AAT is a religion.
x85 Maxwell C. Bridges : not up to the part where it became a religion
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. TJ Knitter, I'm a newby reading old channeling from the Pleiadians, so I'm not yet up to the part where it became a religion or even to know what AAT is.
Would you please be so kind as to tell me AAT's meaning?
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x87 TJ Knitter : ancient alien theory
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
Certainly. AAT stands for ancient alien theory. I won't write an essay about it, but I will definitely answer any questions you may have, or offer any evidence I can find for you.
x89 Maxwell C. Bridges : where AAT / Pleiadians morph into a religion?
2020-07-17
Dear Mr. TJ Knitter
Thank you for the AAT clarification. Alas, in my reading, I have yet to come across the part where AAT / Pleiadians morph into a religion. What factors make it such?
If anything, my research is putting screws to standard religions for having misconstrued the (Christ/Buddha/Muhammad) messages in their paternal misogynistic practices, and other gross failings, suppression, and mispresentation.
I find my research hasn't instilled a new religion in me, but instead has fulfilled / validated parts of my religious upbringing from a different direction that I otherwise would have been moving away from, because I couldn't reconcile it without this new information.
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x91 TJ Knitter : cultural medium that shapes the entirety of life and thought
2020-07-17
Maxwell Bridges
Sorry, work has been nuts.
The debate of what defines a religion is older than you or I, and will most likely continue long after we are gone.
But I tend to lean towards this definition.
George Lindbeck, a Lutheran and a postliberal theologian (but not a social constructionist), says that religion does not refer to belief in God or a transcendent Absolute, but rather to:
"a kind of cultural and/or linguistic framework or medium that shapes the entirety of life and thought ... it is similar to an idiom that makes possible the description of realities, the formulation of beliefs, and the experiencing of inner attitudes, feelings, and sentiments."
So in this case. AAT has a belief system that it uses to judge what happens in the world around them. They have prophets like Hancock or Tesla. As well as a healthy distrust of anyone who offers dispute to their claims.
I do realize I am generalizing. This is a young religion. It is far from organized. But it does show signs of what we consider modern religion.
I can't comment on your personal experience but I think challenging your own beliefs on a regular basis keeps one from becoming "religious". But, again, loose definition.
Part 4: Masons and Presidents
x93 Souri Choobak : Freemason and first President
Picture: Bust of George Washington with "FREEMASON AND FIRST PRESIDENT" with Masonic square and compass engraved in the stone.
Meme: When anyone tells you that you are wrong about FreeMasons controlling the world, ask them why freemason title comes before president title.
x95 Maxwell C. Bridges : not encountered the nefarious actions / deeds / people
2020-07-20
I am a Mason. What Freemasonry once was or was once alleged to be, does not equate to all times, to all lodges, to all brothers, and certainly not to a shrinking and dying institution. Power and influence long ago left the institution, allowing it to shrink really to what it always was: a brotherhood of men helpful in a community.
To my experience as an insider active in Blue Lodges who also went both Scottish Rite and York Rite (but have since dimitted from the latter two), I have not encountered the nefarious actions / deeds / people that have been for centuries alleged by the institution's enemies or those in power wanting to misdirect / scapegoat from their own misdeeds.
TO ALL MEN, if you believe in a higher power and are a good person, I can assure you that you could go through the process of becoming a Master Mason and have no moral conflicts with any obligation you presently have to your family, your church, your country. You would not regret the effort, even if you were like me with a conspiracy theorist's bent going into it. However, you would be disappointed that you discovered Masonry to be exactly that what they themselves claim to be (making good men better), and were never a "Luciferian child abusing Satanic cult involved in all the great conspiracies against man" (as scapegoated by the true enemies of the planet.)
TO ALL WOMEN, if you have a Masonic relation, you could join the Order Eastern Star (among a couple of others.) Same wording would apply.
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x97 Dave Meyers : well said brother
2020-07-20
As a member too, I could not agree more, well said brother.
Part 5: Masonry Discussions with Lisa Love Schuble
x99 Lisa Love Schuble : just a Gentile in the Masonic lodge
If you’re not a descendant from a Sabbatian Sect of Judaism and considered just a Gentile, you’ll never be allowed to go beyond a certain degree in the Masonic lodge. You’ll actually be one of the useful idiots, who help camouflage and argue the legitimacy of this infiltrated establishment in the mid 1700’s , of the true crimes happening from the upper echelons. If you haven’t stepped back and really researched this by now, you’re a part of the problem in our country.
x101 Maxwell C. Bridges : pigs, the non-Jewish Masons
2020-05-11
"What happened in 1897, stayed in 1897." I'm only partially joking. Maybe one could argue that those sentiments lasted a good 60 years through the establishment of Israel. But things change; generations died out; agendas that motivated one era grew stale in other eras and died out. Lodges of today ain't my father's lodge, or my grand-father's, etc. Lodges are about the brothers currently active and are a product of their eras.
Rhetorically speaking, if we "pigs, the non-Jewish Masons," today outnumber the Jewish Masons and if a fault of modern lodges is an overly Christian bent, then maybe what was Theordor Herzel's 1897 opinion, doesn't really apply today.
Furthermore, my state has a Grand Lodge presiding over its masonic lodges, but there is no "super Grand Lodge" over all the individual Grand Lodges in the USA, nor is there a "super-duper Grand Lodge" over the fictional "super Grand Lodges" to cover all Grand Lodges and their individual lodges all over the world. Lacking both the authority and the means of communication, it is hard for the alleged nefarious agendas to seep everywhere and be executed as ordered.
I won't argue whether or not certain factions of Masons in various countries in different eras were worthy to be blamed for devious influences. (Funny how their religious affiliations aren't also blamed and reviled.) But the fact of the matter is, Masons became an easy scapegoat to pin the misdeeds of others. Power long ago left the institution, allow it to get back to its roots of an affiliation of good, trustworthy, men of the community.
Action item for you: Recognize that you've been duped. The internet is awash with centuries old stories of Masonic institutional intrigue, yet none of it is from today or even from this century, and probably the whole second half of last century.
Masonic Lodges were turning the other cheek and "were not feeding the trolls" to combat such propaganda and scapegoating lies, and were successful at it (until the automation of the internet) because it always comes down to how an individual mason conducts himself locally in all his affairs, being true to his word, square and fair, etc. that makes the strongest counter-arguments and attracts followers.
Yep, you've been duped.
In some ways, having duped useful idiots like you spread centuries' old propaganda and lies about the Masonic Institution can help the fraternity, because it draws the curious who want to find out for themselves whether the conspiracies are true and if Masons today wield such power. We tell them up front, our reputation has been grossly exaggerated, and they find out themselves well before, during, and after they join our ranks.
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x103 Lisa Love Schuble : one of them that bought into the lies
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
oh you’re one of them that bought into the lies that secret societies are nothing more than a brotherhood. So those who’ve been seen displaying secret hand shakes and casual gestures of distress in our court systems are no longer trying to gain the upper hand? Believe what ya want. I for one, don’t think the establishment started out bad, as most of my family members were in them. It was actually quite a fashionable thing to do back then and is how many grew their buisness’s and conducted them throughout the communities.
The power of a brotherhood or sisterhood like that, leaves others in the community at a disadvantage and creating a accumulating superiority complex over periods of time, knowing human nature and how the masses tend to gather in segregated areas throughout our communities.
So I call bullshit on your conspiracy theory. Besides, it still leaves a tons of room for corruption while hiding behind those who believe this history to be — what did you say?
“grossly exaggerated “
x105 Maxwell C. Bridges : bad start and only educated and the elite
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble
,... yeah, but... You're talking about Catholicism. Or maybe Baptists, or Methodists or Mormons.
"The power of a brotherhood or sisterhood like that, leaves others in the community at a disadvantage and creating a accumulating superiority complex over periods of time..."
I, for one, think the (modern) Masonic fraternity did start out bad. Only educated and the elite. English Masonry was and maybe still is particularly snobbish.
But as it grew beyond its controlled borders and as time changed, so did the fraternity's make-up. I'm sorry, but I have yet to observe any of my lodge brothers go out and massacre Indians (as did fellow mason Capt. Chivington at Sand Creek, Colorado) or lynch African Americans. That is all so one or two centuries ago!
Thus, I call bullshit on YOUR conspiracy theory. You know nothing except the propaganda (some of it centuries' old) of our detractors trying to scapegoat us. In the US, real power is with "the family," CFR, Bilderberg, etc. Not with the local masonic lodge that barely has the membership to afford maintenance on their aging facilities.
Conspiracy theorists are supposed to be open-minded particularly to the truth. Alas, you prove that even conspiracy theorists are prone to cognitive dissonance; you won't consider anything counter to your argument, nor have you provided anything to support your argument.
Were there any truth to your supposition about the malign intentions of Masonic bodies, (a) they would not have survived into last century, least of all into this century, (b) you would be able to throw a dart at a map and identify RECENT stories from that locale of Masonic misdeeds. We can simply that assignment and say YOUR LOCALE and anything defarious from Masonic lodges THIS CENTURY! Nada.
Look, when a Methodist does something bad, the media don't spend its time lambasting the institution, but the individual. Depending on the crime, the church might excommunicate and otherwise distance themselves from the individual. And in the rare cases when the crimes are through out local church, the local church gets the scrutiny, not the entire institution.
Masonry does background checks on prospective members. It has a vetting process. And if a brother goes bad after joining, the lodges have ways of ousting them from their ranks.
You are duped, and too proud to admit it.
Do your homework. Prove your case. Find all of the bad misdeeds of YOUR local Masons from this century.
And if your 15-minutes, 30-minutes, 4-hours of googling comes up only with educational scholarships for high school seniors, scholarships to band camp, or pan-cake breakfasts to support some charity, you should already be considering how you're going to apologize.
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x107 Lisa Love Schuble : servicing and manipulating within our societies and governments
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
you’re not going to see any of that stuff happening. These people most likely won’t associate with the psychologically stable mindset within. They gravitate towards the corrupt hearted ones who’ve been culled out from the rest, to assist and advance in many ways than their trade.
When like minded criminals control the systems to begin with, of course they’ll pass the sniff test.
Your chapter may not be corrupt but there is corruption within, that’s been servicing and manipulating within our societies and governments.
x109 Lisa Love Schuble : any kind of sacred knowledge, all of mankind should understand
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
oh the gravitas given to such a swindler!!
https://www.opcmia.org/george-h-w-bush/
George H.W. Bush
OPCMIA.ORG
Lisa Love Schuble
Maxwell Bridges
not only Freemasons but others too. One goes they all should go. No secrets whatsoever should be kept from the rest of humanity. If it’s any kind of sacred knowledge, all of mankind should understand these things in order to prevent from others to gain any advantage over anyone else. This should be a level playing field and people should be able to make decisions based on reality, not distorted facts.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-presidents-who-were-in-secret-societies-2017-4
BUSINESSINSIDER.COM
20 US presidents who belonged to shadowy secret societies
Lisa Love Schuble
Maxwell Bridges
Meme: Bust of George Washington in a park with Masonic Emblem on the plaque. Meme words: "When someone says Free-Masons don't run the country."
Lisa Love Schuble
Maxwell Bridges
Meme with image of Alber Pike. Meme words "The Third World War must be fomented between the Christians and the Islamic World. The War must be conducted in such a way that Islam and Christianity mutually destroy each other leaving the Political Zionists in control." Albert Pike 33 degree mason [ Scottish rite of freemasonry ]
Lisa Love Schuble
Meme has flow chart with title "Origin of Secret Societies". Inverted triangle at the top with Ancient Mystery Religions, Kabbalism, Gnosticism, Knights Templars, Rosicruicians, Freemasonry / Illuminati, and New Age Movement at bottom. A box on Pantheism points to AMR box. AMR box points to a box on Witchcraft, sorcery, etc., which also points to the NAM box.
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x111 Maxwell C. Bridges : misdeeds of any Masonic Lodge in this century
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, You have a vivid imagination and are not very discerning in your validation of internet information. First, you can't even name any misdeeds of any Masonic Lodge in this century. Then, you claim that such would not be reported, because "Masons are everywhere and would suppress the revelation of the incident." Your proof of this? You have none.
Albert Pike was so 1865. George Washington was so 1776. Do you see either one of them running the country today?
If you weren't such an agenda-toting AGENT, if instead you were a sincere seeker of Truth, you would approach me differently just because I am an insider. And I had ulterior motives when I joined regarding conspiracies. But, I also already knew what to expect, or wasn't surprised at what I experienced and being in-line with expectations, if not better (because I was a DeMolay in my youth.)
With regards to your little rant: "No secrets whatsoever should be kept from the rest of humanity."
Sophomore writing class about over-generalizations being weak arguments, because all it takes is one exception to prove it wrong.
Assume for a moment that your boyfriend has a small penis when erect but an active tongue that compensates well in your nether region. The two of you are keeping these secret from the rest of the world. And as it should be, because the rest of humanity doesn't need to know this, certainly not parents, siblings, off-spring. When tipsy with your girlfriends on girl's-night-out, maybe you divulge the secret of his tiny manhood, because you don't want them having a reason to snag him (pun intended) from underneath you. You make them swear not to tell anybody -- certainly not their boyfriends who know your guy -- because you don't want word or teasing getting around to your boyfriend, which could end his lingual sessions with you.
Thus, your experience already proves the validity and necessity of secrets.
You can learn a shit ton of Masonic secrets just by going to lodge web pages and searching the internet. Damn near all of them from a blue lodge can be found on the internet... everything we consider sacred and why. (And it isn't as if there aren't a few Masonic wives who know the work quite well, possibly from having assisted their husbands learn their parts.)
But the secrets you won't learn about are the brother ones, where one brother specifically asks another brother to hold a secret (murder and treason excepted), with the caveat that the second brother is under no obligation to accept. Be that as it may, it should be absolutely no surprise that most secrets are of the nature, "don't tell my wife how the hole really got into the boat."
You continued: "If it’s any kind of sacred knowledge, all of mankind should understand these things in order to prevent from others to gain any advantage over anyone else. This should be a level playing field and people should be able to make decisions based on reality, not distorted facts."
Two things. First, Masonry and Geometry used to be synonymous terms, and geometry was the guarded trade secret of the masonic gild that was imparted only to the craft. But we both had geometry in school; the sacred knowledge is already out.
Second, if a good man applies for membership and is found worthy, he gets to know our "sacred knowledge" like all other brothers have experienced it before him. Nothing hidden.
You might cough at the phrases "applies for membership" and "is found worthy." We get our fair share of kooks looking into Masonry. They usually weed themselves out. I've only seen one or two who failed a ballot; I've seen many more not make it to a master mason. Is it unusual for a chorus directory to want to hear to you sing before letting you into the group? Do you think you could sing in a church choir if you weren't of the same faith (found worthy)? You could probably attend 90% of the HOA meetings, but unless you held property (found worthy) you can't vote on issues.
In summary, you have had no facts to substantiate your views -- only internet innuendo -- and constantly dismiss first-hand accounts that puts the fraternity into perspective for what it really is. I bet you're guilty of telling your doctor what medicines you need based on ads that appear in your Google searches on health.
If you are a real person with sincere intentions, you can apologize now.
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x113 Lisa Love Schuble : oozing smugness and groomed to be a gatekeeper
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
oh for Gods sake, you’re oozing smugness and evidently groomed to be a gatekeeper. You’re references to the late 1800’s only points to the most resent subversion, which lead to the most resent financial reset.
Of course we’re going to just number our world wars, as if expecting more. ?? Still- No apologies buddy. Not from me and definitely not from the American public once more fit these pieces together. You’ll see. You’re just in denial because, you’ve put so much trust and time in your little butt-buddy groups. That’s ok though. We all have room to change and see things differently. ??
x115 Maxwell C. Bridges : lots of organizations bowed down to kiss the decaying ass of dead-President Bush
2020-05-11
P.S. There is "operative masonry" and there is "speculative". AF&AM masonry is speculative.
The OPCMIA is operative. "The Operative Plasterers' and Cement Masons' International Association of the United States and Canada (OPCMIA) is a trade union of plasterers and cement."
When free-masons get together for a meeting, we're only figuratively spreading the cement of brotherhood. When OPCMIA get together, they might really be actually spreading cement, or talking about how to spread cement, or other factoid business standards and laws.
But to your point, lots of organizations bowed down to kiss the decaying ass of dead-President Bush. I don't recall seeing anything fawning of President GHW Bush in any masonic communication I've received. They like the ones who were Masons themselves, or in Bill Clinton's case, DeMolay.
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x117 Lisa Love Schuble : brotherhood or the upper echelons
2020-05-11
Lisa Love Schuble
Maxwell Bridges
worthy by whom? The brotherhood or the upper echelons who psychologically analyze and prescreen its membership to see if their personality traits are malleable enough to enter. Egos play a big role here.
Lisa Love Schuble
Maxwell Bridges
my argument isn’t against individuals within the group. It’s those who are above everyone else. Too its not even about true Masons anymore. The building being done is focused on dominance in the numerous trades and industries, which eventually, culminates into corporate governance. End of story.
x119 Maxwell C. Bridges : prop the gate open to let you see within
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, just because my internet persona is arrogant, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Whereas I may "ooze smugness", you reek of being half-bot in your inability to go into detail. Such an agenda you tote? The ultimate duped useful idiot weapon.
Me? A gatekeeper for the fraternity? You make the claim, you prove it.
Here I have been trying to enlighten you with secrets, to prop the gate open to let you see within, yet you're too obstinate to gaze at the open threshold and can only lamely deflect, "you're still standing at the gate, gatekeeper."
Indeed, the lodges I'm a member of are my "little butt-buddy groups." I find the association quite valuable to my sanity.
What are your "little butt-buddy groups"? Girls bowling league? Sweet Adelines? Contra-dancing? Quilting Bee? Mother's who pump iron? Bitches who drink beer or wine or alcohol in general? Bible Study? Mixed Martial Arts?
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x121 Lisa Love Schuble : not looked further than your ego
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
awesome ?? your enlightenment only shows you haven’t looked further than your ego. But though, go ahead you can have the last word.
x123 Maxwell C. Bridges : Masons have dominance in government?
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, "worthy by the brothers of the lodge in attendance when the ballot is cast at meeting for acceptance of the petition." An investigation committee convenes before election night with the candidate (and wife/girlfriend). A standard background check is agreed to and performed by third party before the investigation committee has their interview. Most pedophiles or violent felons fade away well before they get to the point of agreeing to the background check -- I assume -- so I've never seen where this became a gating issue on a potential brother's worthiness at balloting time.
You say that your "argument is against... those who are above everyone else."
Here's an exposed Masonic secret. One of the principle officers of the lodge wears the emblem of the plumb, to remind us to be "on the level" with one another and in our conduct inside and outside of lodge. That's a major failure, proving you've been duped. [An old Masonic story is that it was President Harry Truman's gardener who was master of the lodge when he joined.]
You are making a case that free-masons have infiltrated all sorts of trades and industries to have DOMINANCE over them. Prove it.
Then you go on to say, they have dominance in government. Prove it.
Make your research into this century and relevant to now.
What was true in the 1950's and 1960's is not true today. In fact, trades and industries have declined in membership and importance. People are lazy and don't want to commit to anything other than their evening Netflix. HOA bylaws never change, because they can never get 60% super majority in attendance. Laziness is society-wide.
I'd be willing to venture that for any large overlap in Masonic membership with trade membership (that you have yet to prove), what you really have is a person who knows what commitment means and values it, and applies himself in his work and his leisure. Veterans makes up a large part of active lodge participation for these very same reasons. They learned commitment and brotherhood, and value it enough.
... Ooops, now three more comments from you while I was writing this.
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x125 Lisa Love Schuble : infiltrated and used
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
The facia is legit and was the original creeds behind it. I’m not arguing none of the original characteristics and purpose.
It was infiltrated and used and has been for decades. If you haven’t seen it, well then good. Many haven’t and is why they still deny it. Believe what you want. It is what it is. It will eventually come to light and be in the consciousness here on out. It was good whole it lasted but, needs cleaning and revamping , with better and new leadership if it’s going to survive.
x127 Maxwell C. Bridges : "upper echelons psychologically analyzing and prescreen its members"
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, you wrote:
"The brotherhood or the upper echelons who psychologically analyze and prescreen its membership to see if their personality traits are malleable enough to enter. Egos play a big role here."
The requirement for petitioning is that two masons have known you for at least 6 months and vouch for your character, and one has to be a member of the lodge you're petitioning. Means there have been at least six months of seeing the candidate at regular coffees or meals, where all manner of topics were probably discussed. The candidate is usually known to most of the brothers, not just those who signed the petition or were on the investigation committee. Two black cubes in the ballot box by those qualified to vote and in attendance at meeting can reject the petition.
Thoroughly shitty candidates rarely have the patience of the process of petitioning, let alone passing through the three degrees (whereby further balloting is involved in between.)
There is no upper echelon. If anything, there are those whose zeal for the institution have kept them as active members for many years and they've moved into positions like Secretary or Treasurer, know the by-laws and the Constitution of the Grand Lodge. The secretary tends to exercise his powers in RECRUITING candidates (not black-balling them) and in rabble-rousing old-timers to show up when electing officers if he wants to mess with the progressive line.
Point is, your vivid imagination about the "upper echelons psychologically analyzing and prescreen its members" sound more like the workings of your church or my first very conservative employer in our capitalist society, and not the petitioning process of a lodge.
While busy writing this answer, you wrote: "The facia is legit and was the original creeds behind it. I’m not arguing none of the original characteristics and purpose."
I counter that the facia is fraudulent, and that the original creeds behind it are one or two centuries out of date. You're not arguing any of it, because you can't. You've been duped by the hypnoptic assertions, and have no mumpth to truly research it on your own, and what little internet research you've done, were on searches of "Masonry Illuminati" and not "Masonry" itself and explored what the Masons write about themselves.
You wrote: "It was infiltrated and used and has been for decades."
I'd be willing to agree with it being infiltrated and being used DECADES ago, but those infiltrators are dead. The influence the lodges once had is dead. Power and influence long ago left the lodges. It's back to basics ("butt-buddy group"). Maybe that was the goal of the infiltration, to turn us into a benign "butt-buddy group." Whatever. That is what we are today, and dying, too. I get value out of "butt-buddy" affiliations and have never observed in the organization any of the nefarious things attributed to it by any blog or website (who talks about present-day Illuninati influence in the same piece.)
Of course, your response is that "I'm not in the upper echelon doing the bad shit; I'm just a duped useful idiot." My response to that is that I, nor any of my "butt-buddies", are even aware of the upper echelon allegedly of our own organization [other than Grand Lodge of our state], nor have we, or anybody from the fraternity we know, been involved in present day nefarious or conspiratorial activities that excites the imaginations of conspiracy theorists.
What I know is that extrapolating from today's "butt-buddy group" nature into domination of trades and governance is a propaganda lie designed to scape-goat our worthy (but paltry) endeavors and dupe you into looking in the wrong place.
Case in point: Israel, Mossad, and AIPAC are where power and control lies over US politics. Open your eyes. Outstrips even the alleged Russian influence that gave us Trump.
You don't know what you're talking about. You won't research it. You won't listen to someone who does know and is an insider.
Were you not the half-bot with an agenda, I'd be telling you to graciously accept defeat and move on, because you're mistaken on most Masonic fronts, and you've proven yourself incapable of defending your disinformation premise with anything researched and substantiated.
Not a surprise.
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x129 Lisa Love Schuble : Grand lodge
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
and the Grand lodge houses whom?
x131 Maxwell C. Bridges : Grand Lodge responsible for "the work" in the region
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, the officers of a region's Grand Lodge mirrors more or less the officers of individual lodges. It is typically more of a progressive line than the lodges themselves, meaning someone starts at the office with the least authority and moves up each year eventually to the Grand Master position, served for a year, then the next one moves in. The minimum requirements for the grand line is that you are a past worshipful master of a lodge and are well versed in the degree work (because likely you held at one point all of the offices in the lodge).
The Grand Lodge is responsible for "the work", which are the degrees you've heard about but in reality are plays memorized by the officers (actors) and performed for the audience of one: the candidate. When I say they are "responsible for the work", I mean; they have district lecturers who visit the individual lodges to vet principle officers (on opening/closing, funeral service) and observe on occasion degree work. The lodges perform the degrees themselves (or with help from other lodges), but the delegates from the GL validate the quality and consistency of the work.
The Grand Lodge does things on a region level, like maintaining their web site and resources for the individual lodges. If a lodge needs help with degree work or other things, they can make the request to the GL.
Actually, the membership and voting body of a Grand Lodge are the three principle officers of all lodges in its jurisdiction (lots of people) plus the officers in the grand lodge. Once your term as Worshipful Master (or Grand Master) is over, you return back to the ranks of the lodge.
Almost more democratic than US elections.
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x133 Lisa Love Schuble : rituals, not plays
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
they’re rituals, not plays. Sorcery mind manipulating rituals and blood oaths.
I understand ones attraction to it because, some people desire emotionally to fit in somewhere. They need to identify as something. Can’t folks just be happy to be themselves, without having to live up to others standards?
x135 Maxwell C. Bridges : confuse constructs from many sacred and ceremonial settings
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, I like the sound of "rituals" better, but they are in reality plays. You confuse constructs used in many sacred and ceremonial settings (e.g., alters, holy scriptures, candles) and assume all are the same. You conflate hollywood movies on witches etc. with masonry. For shame.
I have not seen one drop of blood spilt -- nay, not even a nose-bleed -- during any lodges' work.
I understand one's attraction to colorful propaganda on the internet, because some people desire to emotionally be correct in believing what they read. They need to be right, even if what they read was fiction with no basis in reality. Can't folks just be happy with the truth, without having to believe the gross errors propagated by an ancient institution's enemies, old and new?
You have been wrong on almost everything about Masonry. Had you done any research on your own, you would know the officers of a lodge as well as of the Grand Lodge. You failed to substantiate any of your claims, and you refuse to entertain corrections. Hell, you refuse to entertain corrections even on the most mundane points. Doesn't bode well for your reputation, and would call into question everything else that you promote.
Final point, in the US, the religious make-up of Masons has definite Christian leanings. [Later in York Rite to be Knight Templar, you have to be of the Christian faith.] Masonry in the US with its heavily Christian demographic would not have survived if its ceremonies or teachings were "sorcery mind manipulating rituals and blood oaths" or other witchcraft / pagan / devil-worshipping / Lucifier praising etc. Masonry survived because it doesn't replace religion; it just underscores the importance of spirituality in whatever manner the Mason normally would exercise such in the church of their choosing.
Although Masonry survived in the US since the early days of the colonies, it has faced a constant onslaught of technology (broadcast radio, broadcast television, cable television, internet, Netflix) to placate and dull the masses into having no motivation to participate in any organization outside of the home, starting with church and going into civic groups (from PTA's to HOA's to city council.) Masonry is dying, but its death tail will be long with time remaining for the old fad to become new again.
By design, you've wasted enough of my time with your disinformation and nonsense.
You really do need to "man-up", admit your ignorance and malignant mistakes, and apologize for spreading your disinformation.
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x137 Lisa Love Schuble : blood oaths of secrecy
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
symbolically, rituals still holds a psychological element. For that, I won’t apologize. It’s sacrilegious to the ultimate creator of us all to hold such blood oaths of secrecy from the rest of humanity. It does nothing more than cause disdain from the so called outsiders that’s uncalled for. The good ol boy system will fall with the rest of the stolen Ancient Egyptian knowledge and mass mind control techniques. It served its purpose but, has evidently worn out its welcome. History will be corrected and everything will be put back in its proper place.
x139 Maxwell C. Bridges : attribute to Masonry beliefs it doesn't have, actions it doesn't take, and influence & dominion it no longer has
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, One of the tells of a bot-agent is in repeating errors even when the errors are pointed out. "Blood oaths of secrecy" pertaining to Masonry has already been debunked, because I have not seen a single drop of blood shed in any ritual or ceremony. As already explained by the larger proportion of US Masons having a Christian background [and continued, active church-going, God-fearing participation], any thing "sacrilegious" -- were it involved and were it not you trying to tar Free-Masonry with pagan witchcraft in agent disinformation -- has been sanitized from the institution.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Masonry wore out its welcome. No, those practicing true mass mind control techniques (can you say -- Hollywood, movies, television, Netflix?) built their own new addictive paradigms that made the old diversions from our life of drudgery (like church dances, participation is civic groups) much too tame and onerous.
Free-Masonry may be its own form of Good Ole Boy network, but the whims and mores of society reach into it and changes it era to era. I'm for #MeToo, equal rights, equal pay, and men doing dishes and diapers.
Regarding what secret knowledge it may hide? None. What it teaches through its symbolism are patterns and keys that one can keep in mind when exploring God and God's creation. They themselves aren't the answer, but are useful in our efforts at obtaining the answers from our regular religious and spiritual sources, and beyond.
I have to say that my spiritual views have shifted since become a Mason. It wasn't anything that Masonry taught by itself. It was association with other good men and discussions into our journeys towards spiritual enlightenment; that it was cool for me to continue my study & my path although it never came into discussion the actual theme of the merits of my personal spiritual endeavors. It was more of a revelation.
From my individual study which is completely outside anything ever presented in lodge, ironically, I have come to understand and appreciate more things pagan, more about humankind's creation, more about our history, more about our DNA, more about re-incarnation, more about chakras, more about our blood, more about Ego and the Soul. The credit I give to Masonry is in helping me keep my mind open, and thoughts attuned to spirituality beyond this world.
I believe in the Prime Creator (God) -- a god of Truth, of Love. I also believe now that in-between that God and us were Creator Gods, alien races that came together with superior DNA manipulation skills to create the grand experiment that is Earth and humans upon this earth. Our DNA is that of many other alien species, including one that was native to this planet before humans: the reptilians. Greek Myths, Lumaria, Atlantis, and folklore into dragons, giants, etc. are coming together as truths particularly from the narrow perspective of those observing and passing on the stories.
I consider myself a child of the light.
To the point of our discussion, you are in gross ignorance about Masonry. You attribute to Masonry beliefs it doesn't have and actions it doesn't take and influence & dominion it no longer has, if it really had it. My Uncle from Idaho used to say, "about the only choices a good man had in the old West was Mormonism or Masonry." If Masonry didn't exist, something would have been created similar to it to balance the community influences of other forces, like the church. Masonry was a good alternative and is non-denominational. So yes, in some places, in some eras, Masonry was a driving force of the community. But what makes Masonry successful on the local level, doesn't translated to state, federal, or global levels. Indeed, this is why influence & dominance has shifted to other groups: Bilderberg, CFR, AIPAC, the family...
You have been told the truth, tho you believed it not. That does not make it untrue. That just makes your efforts at understanding incomplete.
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x141 Lisa Love Schuble : much darker elements which hover over that
2020-05-11
Lisa Love Schuble
I believe that what you’ve been led to believe is true. So be it. It’s not the average Masonic person I’m addressing. There are much darker elements which hover over that are not upfront and understood prior to entry.
x143 Maxwell C. Bridges : had I run across that, I would have changed my affiliations
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, I believe what you've been led to believe is true. Alas, what substantiates your beliefs isn't even a fraction of the first-hand experiences over decades that substantiate my beliefs that are completely orthogonal to yours.
You say only from hearsay (and with much conflation with pagan / witch ceremonies taken directly from the age-old recycled propaganda aimed against our fraternity for literally centuries),
"much darker elements hover over that are not upfront and understood prior to entry."
[Joke] When I wasn't hoodwinked [/Joke] I kept a sharp eye out for exactly such, and had I run across it, I would have changed my affiliations. Both the Scottish Rite and York Rite degrees have been conferred upon me, although I have since demitted from both organizations, because they were either inconvenient to regularly participate or (truthfully) too lame with 6 or less active members.
And if the average Masonic person [by in large the vast, overwhelming majority] also isn't aware of it despite decades of conspiratorial warnings discovered both prior to and after affiliation with fraternity and easily looked up today on the internet and despite years of their own participation, then YOU have to entertain the very real possibility that these elements are not a part of Masonry, and more importantly, that YOU have been duped and are deliberately spreading disinformation. Please stop.
Your continued denials without even a hint of waiver despite the many "Truths" and "secrets" revealed, does not bode well for your reputation. Either you're an agent / bot who is paid to promote an agenda so Truth doesn't matter, or your very strong and powerful cognitive dissonance isn't limited to this topic, but lots of topics [as in, you're probably a Trump supporter and a 9/11 Coincidence Theorist.]
Grow up! Be more discerning!
And if perchance over the centuries, our organization has attracted -- out of their initial ignorance, or out of wishful thinking that disinformation inspired -- a brother or two with hidden passions for the dark arts, they readily discover how they were duped and that Masonry doesn't provide an outlet for such. What they go on to do (in dark directions) outside the confines of lodge, has no more to do with Masonry or lodge work than it does with established church services & religions to which they might also belong.
*Ding* *ding* *ding*
This is how the vast overwhelming majority of average Masons remains completely ignorant over decades of participation, because they are never involved, never chance upon such when going to the Masonic Temple, and never run across anything in Masonry that even shoe-horns an opportunity for such.
If what substantiates your misguided beliefs in Masonry is older than half a century, if you can't pin-point anything from this century substantiating your claim, (if it brings up the Illuminati,) if every Mason you run across -- whose first lessons in Masonry are to be good and true -- conveys a message about Masonry (even venturing into truthful descriptions of how lame it can be) opposite those "devil-worshiping, dark arts" propaganda aimed at undermining and scape-goating the institution, THEN you are encourage to be discerning about where truth really lies.
Anything built upon lies is destined to be undermined and destroyed eventually by those same lies. Masonry would not be as old as it is if it was built on lies, if a huge component of it was "an upper unknown echelon with dark leanings" and duping the "lower pee-on's."
But don't take what I say at face value. Validate it. Start searching on local Masonic lodges' and Grand Lodges' websites. Explore them in detail, and discover what Masons say about themselves. Start up a correspondence with secretaries of those lodges.
Meanwhile, stop being such a duped useful idiot tool for the dark arts in your dissemination of known scape-goating propaganda.
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x145 Lisa Love Schuble : you’re becoming a nuisance troll
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
go on now. You’ve started your position and I’m ok with that. At this point though, you’re becoming a nuisance troll. If you need that leg up to perform and be your best among others, we’ll go for it. It only leads to psychological arrogance, assumed importance, the idea your more intelligent— oh man the list goes on. Take that 18 century mindset and bring it up to date. This Gangster racketeering is going down. ??
x147 Maxwell C. Bridges : take that 18 century mindset and bring it up to date
2020-05-11
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, the advice to "take that 18 century mindset and bring it up to date" has been a constant undertaking in the intervening years in the fraternity. Today's Masonic Lodge isn't the lodge of yore; case in point, we aren't nearly as misogynistic.
You should take your own advice, and listen to and heed first-hand accounts about 21st century Free-Masonry. [It is in the long-tail of its death, but that doesn't mean it is without value.]
The failing is triply yours: (1) you're the one stuck with an 18 century mindset (2) about an institution whose mores and customs you are COMPLETELY misinformed of and ignorant of and won't research, and (3) you are in denial about being so grossly wrong.
Point the fingers back at your own "psychological arrogance, assumed importance, the idea your more intelligent— oh man the list goes on."
Admit it. You are in error on this topic by a gross margin owing to your ignorance and inability to research, and are too stuck up to even entertain the possibility of your fallibility on this topic, exposing your fallibility EVERYWHERE. Your word isn't to be trusted.
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x149 Lisa Love Schuble : it doesn’t matter
2020-05-11
Maxwell Bridges
it doesn’t matter. All will be exposed
x151 Maxwell C. Bridges : summary loses the Masonic connection
2020-05-19
Along the path through history, the summary loses the Masonic connection, because it no longer exists. Power and influence long-ago left the institution for other playgrounds: CFR, Bilderberg, etc.
https://vimeo.com/43013696
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x153 Lisa Love Schuble : Not all masons are bad
2020-05-19
Maxwell Bridges
I know you’re having a difficult time assimilating all this. You’ll eventually see what all the hype is about. Not all masons are bad. So don’t think that’s what’s happening here.
x155 Maxwell C. Bridges : I have no problem assimilating the information; you do
2020-05-19
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, I have no problem assimilating the information; you do. It is given right there in black-and-white in the copied posting. Identify in the timeline the last time the Masonic organization is mentioned and proven to be involved in some brainstorming or an actual "nefarious deed."
1828 – "Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who finances the Illuminati, expresses his utter contempt for national governments which attempt to regulate International Bankers such as him." Note that it doesn't say WHEN he financed the illuminati, which was indeed an unsanctioned off-shoot of German Masonic Lodges and were shutdown and expelled that century.
1870 – In a letter to Italian revolutionary leader Giuseppe Mazzini, Albert Pike – Sovereign Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry – announces the establishment of a secret society within a secret society: “We must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree of whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledges to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown.”
Did that ever happen, this supreme rite through which all Freemasonry is governed which will become one international center? No. Just because Albert Pike wrote of a need to create something in a letter that was preserved, doesn't mean it actually happened in the form he outlined.
THERE IS NO "SUPER GRAND LODGE" presiding over the individual Grand Lodges that preside over local Blue Lodges in their regions in the USA. There is no "SUPER DUPER INTERNATIONAL GRAND LODGE" presiding over the (non-existent) "super grand lodges" in countries all over. Didn't happen. And as far as that goes, neither Scottish Rite (that Albert Pike was writing about) nor York Rite have any shit-rolls-down-hill power over Grand Lodges.
From this history you posted, where does it say CRF were Masons? Or Bilderberg? Etc. It doesn't. 1889 from Albert Pike is the last Masonic reference given, one hundred and thirty years ago.
As a deep insider to the fraternity (mostly Blue Lodge), I state again that the rich took their desires and money and invested it elsewhere to get their governance and control. If you would read and understand both the history that you posted and my first-person experiences within the fraternity, you would gleam that power and influence long ago left the Masonic fraternity.
Great that you're willing to admit "Not all masons are bad." You could even go out on a limb and say "the vast majority of masons are not bad." Bad ones don't last in the fraternity, (a) because it isn't the proper outlet for the expression of badness, and (b) masonic charges can be brought against a bad brother that can get him expelled whether his actions were against the fraternity, its membership, or the community in general.
Where this leaves us is that you have been maligning the Masonic Institution with centuries old alleged misdeeds. When given the opportunity to find misdeeds from the last 50 years or this present century, you have come up short.
You are wrong, and owe me (and us) a public apology for your misguided and false accusations. Please stop your disinformation spreading. (Masonry over the past century has had nothing to do with NWO.)
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x157 Lisa Love Schuble : secrecy is repugnant
2020-05-19
Maxwell Bridges
regardless "secrecy is repugnant" JFK
x159 Maxwell C. Bridges : making the argument for full consumer transparency, where everything about you is available to anyone and any corporation
2020-05-19
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, tell that to capitalism. They're the ones who keep human resources files secret. Health records, where do those fit in with your "secrecy is repugnant"?
There is a place for secrecy even in the home, because I don't need to know all the times my wife is thinking "fuck you, asshole."
You are essentially making the argument for full consumer transparency, where everything about you is available to anyone and any corporation wanting to capitalize on it.
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x161 Lisa Love Schuble : be apart of something bigger than themselves
2020-05-19
Maxwell Bridges
I do realize that many men feel the need to be apart of something bigger than themselves so they tend to gather in gangs. If it makes you more of a man then I say stay in your group if you think that defines who you are or will become. Otherwise step out on faith, walk this earth on your very own two feet among the rest and place all men on a level playing field.
x163 Lisa Love Schuble : your defense doesn’t place any value on your intentions
2020-05-19
Maxwell Bridges
you defending such a thing doesn’t place any value on your own intentions, but of other to boost you up.
x165 Maxwell C. Bridges : women gather in gangs
2020-05-19
Dear Ms. Lisa Love Schuble, don't be acting all high and mighty that women don't also "gather in gangs." They might not label it such or have formal hierarchies, but they still gather and talk and wield power. [Respect, I give.]
Your maligning of an institution that you have no first-hand experience in and aren't willing to research [e.g., go out and meet some real masons because you know where/when they meet, how to get to their websites, exchange emails, etc.] and aren't willing to objectively hear the other side from a deep insider: all this "doesn't place value on your own intentions, but of other: to boost you up."
You've been duped by the centuries old propaganda of our enemies, and aren't willing to consider the facts that change things and that evolution happened making obsolete old and false impressions.
I'm a rarity in Masonry with regards to my occasional public utterances for the Institution on social media, because I was first a religious fanatic -- fanatical about Truth. [Errors are my trigger.] My religious upbringing taught me that error had to be addressed by Truth, because that is the only way for error to lose its power of inflicting continued pain and suffering.
Allow me to give away a Masonic secret (that you could find anyway if you searched the internet enough.) Near the conclusion of the centuries old Entered Apprentice degree given to all Masons, the new brother is charged among other things ~not~ to "suffer their zeal for the institution to lead them into argument with those who, through ignorance, may ridicule it."
Ooops, I'm disobeying my EA charge in having this discussion with you. It's okay, because masonry isn't meant to conflict with any of the duties I owe to my God, my country, my family, or myself. I was religiously obligated to Truth, expressing truth, and dispelling error well before I became a Mason.
This charge explains why, for centuries, Masons didn't get into public (or op ed) confrontations when the whack-oh's were libeling and slandering Masonry. [An individual Mason's upright and proper behavior and fair & square dealings in the community with all would distinguished them as good and worthy of association.]
Consider that charge on new members a modified version of "turn the other cheek" and not quite to this century's version "do not feed the trolls".
When communication by print and letter were slow and heated conversation in bars only heard by those present and soon forgotten, this is a valid and totally cool strategy, because addressing an error first gives the error power and substance as being possibly valid before Truth takes it back. If you don't feed the error, it dies.
In the age of mass emailing, websites, and social media, the tactic of not feeding the trolls backfires, because viral sharing of propaganda simply re-enforce the error and make it a public myth, if nothing is brought forth with Truth that corrects the record.
What would it taken to convince you, lady?
Cognitive dissonance runs strong with you. What other areas are you also wrong about, yet are too proud to admit that you've been duped?
++++ Boring personal account of evolving from a duped state with Truth
I studied 9/11 from the get-go, but didn't become a vocal supporter of 9/11 Truth until a few years later, after observing "good faith efforts" to officially explain anomalies were not "good" and did not explain them properly.
Be that as it may, I admit to having been duped along the way by a couple of 9/11 conspiracy theories on the extreme side and championing them quite well (as you can imagine.)
But I wasn't married to them and kept my mind open to new information and analysis that might counter my beliefs, because Truth is my motivator, not what might have duped me. When the foundation of my belief is found to be wrong, I'm not too proud to change my beliefs accordingly.
Unfortunately, 9/11 is a realm where everything has some disinformation, mostly because we can't even rely on the voracity and accuracy of data collection and reports supposedly giving us "the raw data." Also, 9/11 Truth Movement was infiltrated from the get-go to steer us away. Poisoning the well was common. Control the message and control the narrative are a military objective.
"No planes at WTC" (aka, CGI animation) was one disinformation premise that had me thoroughly duped. September Clues was a very slick effort; our tax dollars at work. Physics and more research helped me understand the deceptions in the framing of the disinformation premise that completely undermines it.
To be true to myself, I had to publicly apologize and recant my prior position in the forums in which I participated (and my blog). Embarrassing. But sincere; based on Truth.
https://maxwellbridges.blogspot.com/2012/05/i-concede-point-and-will-no-longer-be.html
[Rabbit-hole warning] Because it is such a redundant bore even for me, I most enthusiastically recommend ~not~ exploring my blog from A-Z. Spot check the bat-shit crazy if you're curious.
(1) Legacy. (2) Sincere evolution in thought. (3) Rational persistence.
The above attributes of my blogging effort set my internet persona into a different internet category apart from the agents, trolls, bots, paid-to-post, jokers.
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x167 Lisa Love Schuble : pretending to be something they aren’t; I know this.
2020-05-19
Maxwell Bridges
believe me I don’t believe women are any different in that manner. People are always trying to impress others by pretending to be something they aren’t. I know this.
Part 6: Masonry Discussions with Nicholos George, Shaune Silva, David Kramer, Craig Lacheney, Kristina Kris, Elizabeth Brown, Dwan Elbon, Jonny Toop, Jasper Desai
x169 Maxwell C. Bridges : Masonic quotes and fake quotes out of context
2020-09-11
Quotes not necessarily from Pike, borrowed from others, and
“The masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine […] Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay also is God […] and the true and philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of light and God of good, is struggling against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil.”
Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World on July 14, 1889 – Albert Pike.
“Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it.”
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.
--- Fake letter from Tahil
We must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree (30th and above), whom we shall select. With regards to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledged to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful, because its direction will be unknown.
Albert Pike, Letter to the Head of the Order of the Illuminati, Guiseppe Mazzini (January 22, 1870).
“Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. […] The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.”
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.
x171 Maxwell C. Bridges : I was a 32nd degree Mason as well
2022-02-21
Technically, I was a 32nd degree Mason as well, until I dimitted from the Scottish Rite because my dues weren't doing me much. If you count the York Rite degrees that were also conferred on me, then maybe the ignorant would say I was at that point a "forty-something-th degree Mason", except that for similar reasons I dimitted from there as well. As far as the Blue Lodges (the first three degrees) go, I've been Worshipful Master on all three degrees and bucket-list performed all roles except two lectures.
Also, let it be known that I've been open-minded (and open to consider conspiracies) my whole life and began my pursuit of Masonry in earnest after 9/11 in part because I wanted to validate or not the conspiracies. [Some were validated, most were not, which I suspected from having had parents and many relatives at various points in their lives being involved in local Masonic groups, and my own tenure in DeMolay.]
From the depths of my insider status, I say "let it be a red-flag into the voracity of the information if 'free-masonry' is mentioned as a contributor to anything nefarious today."
To the extent that the fraternity every had far-reaching influencing power on communities and local government, it left the institution a couple decades or more before the end of the last century. Lodges can barely host pot-luck suppers without assistance from better-halves. Taking over the world? Not gonna happen, which makes Masonry a convenient scape-goat to those organizations who really do have the power and influence -- CFR, Bilderberg, Davos, anything Gates related, the Family, etc.
I don't know when they came about in the rituals or SOP, but at least three insertions have served to undermine free-masonry autonomy and subjugated them to the edicts of the government under which they reside. For example, murder & treason are exempted from Masonic secrets that one brother may be asked to keep for another brother [when expressed and opted-in as such.] The pledge of allegiance to the US flag at meetings is another example.
Ignoring this subversion to government control, the fact that power and influence long ago left the institution is the reason why YOU and other dear readers could with clear conscience and no-conflicts-of-interest petition to join a lodge, become an active member, and have this affiliation bless you.
In conclusion, if you see "free-masonry" added to a meme or conspiracy to supposedly give it gravitas into the bad, let that be a warning that some or all of the meme or conspiracy is disinformation. Be wary.
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x173 Nicholas George : Freemasonry was just another attempt to control the Jesuits' emerging opposition movements
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
Freemasonry was just another attempt to control the Jesuits' emerging opposition movements, and double their sphere of influence. It may not have worked out well in modern days, but the host organization (Jesuits) that created freemasonry flourishes nonetheless.
We could also say that the Protestant church doesn't have much influence anymore. At least not as much as it did when America was founded, but we know that the society of Jesus is still very strong. The Jesuits immediately invested in the growth of Protestantism as a methodical growth and power strategy. Thru their stated methodology the Jesuits gave their critics the illusion of choice within the same exact spiritual-brainwashing -Pauline indoctrination, while doubling their sphere of influence over the world. Protestantism is to Catholicism what Freemasonry is to masonry. They were created by the same subversive group and for the same subversive reasons.
Most of this was discovered through the advent of Jesuit graduate Adam Wieshaupt. This Jesuit product/graduate was the first to exemplify the benefits of Communism 60 years before Karl Marx remarketed the idea to a more conditioned audience. Marx was also a product of the society of Jesus. They were also both Freemasons. Black Lives Matter is a product of the society of Jesus/CCP, and this can easily be found in the admitted Marxist origins of its female founder.
The fact that we don't have more old people that see these patterns and tell the young people about it is a mystery in itself that needs to be investigated -in my mind. Surely all the men in our communities over 50 years old aren't completely unaware of these patterns, this playbook, that just keeps playing itself out over and over again. I would venture to say that biological weapons have kept us acting like children that don't pick up on these patterns
x175 Maxwell C. Bridges : seen my share of public myths foisted on us while we ran on our little hamster-wheels of careers to pay the bills
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, I don't have the expertise to substantiate or dispute your historical connections. If that is your thing, Masonry has "Research Lodges" to facilitate such activities after you petitioned and joined a normal lodge.
However, jumping from Wieshaupt, from more than two centuries ago [and whose efforts were "ex-communicated" from Masonry and denounced], to Marx and then to BLM? It looks like stretching and grasping at straws to me, if not a smear on BLM as well.
Given that I'm older than 50 years old, I've seen my share of public myths foisted on us while we ran on our little hamster-wheels of careers to pay the bills that included lots of television/media programming to distract from what the newspapers are saying -- which today isn't much. People of my generation and older are the last audience for printed newspapers, but really only a fraction of that audience, because most can't be bothered once they've accumulated weeks of papers still in their bags unread until recycle day comes. They prefer having their emotions tweaked by flashy media and their opinions controlled into the acceptable range of controlled and dissident narrative.
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x177 Nicholas George : all excommunicated when it was politically advantageous
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
The Jesuits, the Freemasons, and the Knights of Malta were all excommunicated when it was politically advantageous for the geopolitical engineering designs pf the oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet âœï¸ðŸ™ðŸª.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=BLM%20founder,%20trained%20marxist&ia=web
BLM founder, trained marxist at DuckDuckGo
DUCKDUCKGO.COM
x179 Maxwell C. Bridges : The kkk-krazy part of 'merikkka is that the mass psychosis has the public thinking that the political pendulum should never swing left
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, at some point or other, you can say that a Jesuit influenced this or that, even if it is a priest giving an ice cream cone to a child. The Jesuits are more connected with the Catholic church, and the Catholic church went through centuries of antagonism against the Free Masons, because the lodges were outside of their control. It wasn't until this century when the Catholic church apologized and permitted its members to become Masons. [Masons have accepted Catholics into their fraternity but it was Catholic brother's decision to go against his church's edicts.] It seems to me that the Knights of St. John's is a wannabe Masonic lodge equivalent for Catholics (and probably others).
In other words, you seem to be bringing together big concepts and things and equating them as one from centuries of separation, overlap, and integration.
Today, the Free Masons (1) are not run by Jesuits and (2) have no influence on the world except themselves, their families, and their communities where they engage in civic activities. At their core, they make "good men better" which benefits by extension all that the brothers engage in outside of lodge.
Stated another way, there is certainly a stoic and in cases misguided mindset of the men who were Masons in centuries past that underwent changes with each generation, just like the mindset of those attending various denomination Christian churches changed with the mores and customs of changing times. Masonic lodges are a product of their time, only with bragging rights about thin threads that link us to brothers of others time and traditions. Bragging rights is very different from a "continued belief or purpose or agenda" that spans generations not even of the same family, and certainly not a nefarious one. Masonic teachings aren't in conflict with religious orthodoxy, so if there were a nefarious Masonic agenda, it would have been exposed and rooted out by those still rooted with religious morals and in the ranks.
FTR, it doesn't bother me in the least that the BLM founder might have been a trained Marxist. So, what?
And why do you keep trying to shine a negative light on BLM? Aside from their right to protest and their efforts to be largely peaceful -- except for agent saboteurs, infiltrators and just wannabe low-intelligent pot-stirrers --, the complaints of BLM were justified, and more so with each and every government over-reaction and clamp-down.
I'm an old white man who benefited from the "white" and "male" status over the years without noticing the white privilege in my business dealings (education, employment, banking, loans, mortgages), but it was there and blessed my activities, maybe not to the extent achieved by others [because I'm short and bald, too, so had minor discrimination there for top slots.]
The kkk-krazy part of 'merikkka is that the mass psychosis has the public thinking that the political pendulum should never swing left or that democratic socialism isn't truly what this country needs in a massive way, and anything else (Democrat or Republican) is just voting against our best interests.
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x181 Nicholas George : you seem to have not read their oath of induction
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
When you say that the Jesuits only work within the Catholic half of the dichotomy of deceit, you seem to have not read their oath of induction.
You are correct that the Masons and orthodoxy of the three most politically controlling religions are not in conflict. That's why our presidents swear in on a Masonic Bible.
Modern Judaism, as recreated by the early Roman church after the end of the Messianic rebellion, Is merely a mutated clone of the original messianic Judaism, but with the testicles removed by the Roman victors/Vicar.
This castration of rebellious messianic Judaism by Rome is why the Flavian Caesars snuck Yohanan Bin Zakkai out of a burning genocide in Judea, in a casket. The adversarial rewrite of Judaism by Yohanan was the resulting Roman psychological vaccine against Judaism's original rebellious teaching. Once perfected this psychological prophylactic spell of tax farming deception was despotically spread by Rome to the indigenous culture's Rome wanted to overthrow with its monetary and taxation systems of enslavement.
"Hesus Krishna" was the satanic (adversarial) inversion of the original Messiah, "Judas the Nazarene", and the 3 year old church that Judas left to his brother "James The Just" for the next 30 years before Paul assassinated James by stoning in 62CE.
The Mason's root story of Hiram Abiff Is deeply married to the roots of both the modern Jewish/Zionist and Hesus Krishna deceptions.
The church of Christ got cocky after successful results from the Council of Nicaea's marriage of the Druidic carpenter god, "Hesus", with the Krishna "Christ" consciousness teachings brought to the Caesars by their traveling sage(s), like Apollonius of Tyana.
In the 600's & 700s Rome created the prophet Muhammad and married him to the Catholic nun Khadijah to control the children of Ishmael. Special thanks to The now assassinated Jesuit whistleblower priest "Alberto Rivera" for bringing us this information and much more before succumbing to the 3rd attempt on his life.
All of the religions that you speak of and the builders known as the Masons are slave masters that use these psychological prophylactic vaccines to control the populations that they tax farm. The society of Jesus is just the modern evolution of the oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet.
The mission statement of the Society of Jesus is infiltrating, and often even creating their own opposition control groups. So saying that they don't operate in Protestantism shows that you have some research to do. Freemasonry was merely a temporary project for the Jesuits, as is Frankism, Communism, the Knights of the Golden Circle, the KKK, BLM, CFR, CIA, KGB, MI6, Mossad and Zionism
The oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet is not ashamed to create these organizations as quickly as they can become useful in their geopolitical engineering designs, anymore than the Federal Reserve is afraid to print money or create revolutionary coups to keep itself in power. Let us make no mistake that the Federal Reserve and the oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet are one in the same. The FED created the Russian and Chinese beta test of Communism (CCP) that is being played out in the theater that we see on television today.
Most Americans can't understand this because they've been purposely miseducated by Jesuit universities that were set up/charitably donated to us by "the Congregationalists" to control the curriculum of the US population. The Congregationalists were laundering opium cartel money from gentleman like the "William Russell Trust Association" when they set up the 9 Jesuit universities that still today control the curriculum of our children's textbooks. This is why we still don't know today that US Congress determined the Holy Roman Empire conspired to start our civil war and assassinated President Lincoln afterward. US Congress was very clear that that was the case and that's why official diplomatic ties were cut off to the holy Roman empire for 117 years starting in 1867. Apparently that didn't make it into our textbooks for a reason that's just OK with people that also justify freemasonry.
https://reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction
REFORMATION.ORG
x183 Maxwell C. Bridges : old organizations in the present are not indefinitely defined by the efforts of early members
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, I commend you on your reasoned thought and research. The point being missed is that old organizations in the present are not indefinitely defined by the efforts of early members from generations and eras past. If that were the case, many old Christian churches (excluding Quakers) would be defined still today by their ancient positions on slavery and "manifest destiny" native American genocide that were issues of their time and affected all organizations of society, even Masonic lodges.
My real purpose in engaging you is to call your attention to on-going disinformation and deceit that tries to scare the public about various groups based on -- it turns out -- fabricated details that were since recanted as a joke by the claimants yet purposely are recycled by the enemies of Free Masonry (for many years, the Catholic church) and by those needing a convenient trope and scapegoat to mask their own nefarious deeds.
Any meme or web site that name-drops Free Masonry and tries to dig up writings from an 1865 book as examples of ongoing nefarious activities today (2022) is most probably ignorant if not purposeful disinformation.
To my knowledge, Jeffry Epstein, Bill Gates, Dr. Fauci, et al are not Masons [if they were, the Masons would be bragging about them to stroke our own egos], and Clinton's teenage years involved with DeMolay [as was I] is the closest he ever came to becoming a Mason.
Not to burst any bubbles, affiliation with Masonry won't get you access to any of the levels of power, let alone the top, but it won't hurt you either.
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x185 Nicholas George : willfully practices in secret is working in the dark
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
Any secular society that willfully practices in secret is working in the dark, nefariously, against its fellow man. Men that practice righteousness practice in the light and have no secrets. The Masons are the builders of society. They treat us like a deer or chicken farm. Bill Gates is the product of psychological abuse by his father who is also a eugenicist. It did not matter if he was a mason or not. I will admit the game has changed. Being a mason isn't as important today as it was when Jim Morrison's father started the Vietnam war. Jim probably didn't even have to participate in masonry as long as he served his coadjuvant purpose for the Tavistock institute's operations in LA, Like the Laurel Canyon project.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The%20laurel%20canyon%20Project,%20Tavistock%20institute&ia=web
The laurel canyon Project, Tavistock institute at DuckDuckGo
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x187 Nicholas George : do something great with this meat-suit
2022-02-21
We can either keep drinking the Kool-Aid or we can do something great with this meat-suit while our curious and well-intentioned souls are still intertwined within it.
x189 Maxwell C. Bridges : hard pressed to find any organization on the planet that didn't have secrets
2022-02-21
Masonry isn't practiced in the dark, isn't nefarious, and isn't against its fellow man. It would not have survived beyond its infancy were it otherwise (on the latter two items at least). Its temples are well marked with entrances visible to the public for all to note who enters and exits such, and its officers are designated both on their lodge websites and trestle boards.
And I thought that my super powers were being naive and trusting! Your comment about "having no secrets" trumps me by several orders of magnitude in naivity: congratulations.
The Masonic lodges don't have a lot secrets. Any more, if you know what you are looking for, you'll find their teachings exposed all over the internet, albeit many times buried in the disinformation of another agenda. Masons want to keep their ceremonies more to themselves, because misuse and misinterpretation by others would be more rampant than it is and would remove its specialness. To the degree that individual masons have or maintain secrets with one another, most are of the nature: "Listen to this funny story of me being an idiot, but don't tell my wife."
I'd venture to say that Mormons (as one example) have more secrets than Masons; only Mormons can attend services in their temples. You would be hard pressed to find any organization on the planet that didn't have secrets, and when the discussion bends towards the government, the military, corporations or banking, the secrets are much worse.
I made the comment that I now recant: "To my knowledge, Jeffry Epstein, Bill Gates, Dr. Fauci, et al are not Masons [if they were, the Masons would be bragging about them to stroke our own egos]." No, Masons would not be bragging about these men's affiliation, because (a) they don't need Masonry, (b) they would get no benefit out of Masonic affiliation, (c) the potential exists for them not being voted in or for them to drop by the wayside before making it to a Master Mason, and (d) admission into the order doesn't guarantee that misdeeds outside of lodge couldn't get them kicked out later. In my head, I was thinking that any (recent) president or high ranking government official or astronaut or football star would be cause for Masonic bragging. Epstein, Gates, and Fauci with their records were bad examples. Sorry.
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x191 Nicholas George : self-proclaimed secret societies
2022-02-21
Masonry and freemasonry are self-proclaimed secret societies, and do not share their proprietary information gained from each degree of graduation freely with the public.
Just because most people know where the local masonic lodge is in their old town doesn't mean the inner workings and distribution of occulted knowledge is open to the public.
Masonry transmuted into the many thousands of different secular misunderstandings that were/are encompassed under the Masonic umbrella of religions. You make a great point about Mormons and Mormonism, but you forget that its founder sprang forth from masonry. Just like the banking Templars, and Chase bank which renders the Mormon church a blank checkbook at the beginning of every fiscal year to handle all of its expenses.
The Masons rule from the bank, the bench, and the institutions that are dependent on the Bible (Muslim, Christianity, and modern fake Judaism). These are the three components that build western society today. This is why the bank subsidizes the church and uses the church to launder its international drug cartel revenues.
These illegal pharmaceutical/opium cartel revenues are put into educational institutions donated by the church so that these key institutions can be controlled by the oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet. If you didn't know any of this then just study the origins of "Elihu Yale", the "William Russell Trust", and the Congregationalists who set up the nine universities that still control our educational system today.
In Jim Morrison's time (The Doors) you could not even dream of being at the level that his father was at as a Navy Admiral who could start wars like the Vietnam war, unless you were a master mason. Jim's dad actually did start the Vietnam war BTW if you didn't know that. The necessity of becoming a master mason was also true for the highest clearance levels of military intelligence at that time at least.
According to the author of "Behold a Pale Horse", who was military intel, once you get to a certain level of military clearance they are/were all Master Mason's. That author was William "Bill" Cooper. He was assassinated by undercover police on his own property for disclosing this and much much more information. He announced on his radio show what was going to happen with the twin tower attacks before they happened, and told us who it would be blamed on, and who was really guilty. Cooper was assassinated just a few weeks after the 9/11 attacks. He was saying "I told you so" on his radio show in provocation. A true badass. He would've agreed with me and not you in this debate, and I think you are well aware of that.
But perhaps you're right. Maybe it's gone the way of church with today's lowering attendance of new suckers. Back in Jim's day society would've seen the percentage of kids that don't go to church today as a tragedy, but there are other forms of control now that are even more advanced in adequate for accomplishing the goals the church had always tried to accomplish since the beginning of the satanic Pauline doctrine. Technology has taken over where masonry and Freemasonry have become dinosaurs. Perhaps you're right.
x193 Maxwell C. Bridges : free-masonry is an open and inviting fraternity for making good men better that happens to have some intellectual property
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, To know the truth about Free Masonry, you have three choices. 1. You could become a Mason yourself [and then dimit at any point in time when you encountered anything abnormal.] 2. You could go out, locate a real live Mason in your locale, drink a beverage together, and query them. The secretary of a local lodge is a good place to start, and their contact information readily available. 3. You could take the word of this old man, Master Mason, former Scottish Rite / York Rite mason, burned-out conspiracy researcher, sincere, and honest.
In reality, 2 and 3 will be the same thing in terms of information learned, or will be at least a consistent story, which is very hard to do particularly across all of Masonry and all of the internet [when you visit official Grand Lodge and individual lodge pages] if any part of it were a lie. Masons revere Truth and being truthful, and this isn't limited to interactions with brothers alone.
Free-masonry has its origins with the stone masons gild of old, where yes, they did hold the secrets of building masonic edifices closely to themselves [e.g., employment insurance.] To be sure, the study of Geometry was one of those things that ancient brothers kept to themselves.
Free-masonry adds symbolic meaning to the tools and instruments of Masonry as convenient reminders on how to behave.
No, free-masonry is not a "self-proclaimed secret society." Instead, free-masonry is an open and inviting fraternity for making good men better that happens to have some intellectual property that it would like to hold secret so as to not diminish its value. Think of it as IP as valuable to a brother's spirituality as the KFC secret recipe is to a hungry man's appetite.
Emphasis added: ALL OF THE DEEP SPIRITUAL LESSONS ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE UNINITIATED... if they know what they are looking for. Because Masonry has had centuries of brothers leaking things. As stupid as this sounds, if you attend a public installation of officers or find the text for that public ceremony, you will have the summary and arch of free-masonry.
There is a world of difference between reading such found Masonic text AND being a blind-folded candidate for a degree, having your possessions and clothing divested from you [with a shabby replacement and one poor fitting sandal], being led around to various stations, and listening to various (memorized & well-executed) lectures from multiple brothers: essentially a play for an audience of ONE, the candidate. That specialness of the experience MAKES the experience.
Everything in the lectures, once you hear them, you'll say "well, I could have sussed that out for myself or that's a path I'm already on," but it makes a deeper impression on the mind to be there and experience it in person, and then to work yourself on memorizing your experience so that you can stand proficiency and advance to the next degree.
Did you learn Geometry in school? How about mathematics? Music? Astronomy? Liberal arts and learning are revered by Masons, which is why masonic endeavors outside the lodges are in support of public education.
The proprietary information that you claim is gained from each degree IS ALREADY FREELY WITH THE PUBLIC. The big secret of masonry is that there isn't a big secret.
Ever hear the expressions: to be square with someone, to be on the level with someone, to be upright in your dealings, to give someone the third degree, etc.? The secrets of free masonry have leaked out all over, and you didn't even notice.
You wrote: "The Masons rule from the bank, the bench, and the institutions that are dependent on the Bible (Muslim, Christianity, and modern fake Judaism)."
That is a bullshit statement demonstrating your gross ignorance, because it lacks qualifiers. What geographic country or area of a country are you talking about? And more importantly what ERA? As I've cautioned you before, don't be conflating the societal creep of more or values into all institutions of a geographic area and in a historic period of time with what is or might be going on TODAY in all lodges across all countries. I learned in high school English never to make over-generalizations in an argumentative paper, because it only takes one exception to defeat that argument. You are over-generalizing and are deserving of this academic beat-down for being a damn lazy researcher and ignoring the truth WHEN IT IS CAP-LOCK EMPHASIZED IN YOUR FACE.
I'm telling you to stop talking through your ass. Until you can man up to explore Masonry on your own by becoming one yourself, you really have nothing to talk about that isn't speculation and disinformation, and outright wrong.
Let's be candid, how much time have you spent on any webpage from a Grand Lodge or local blue lodge? How much research have you put into reading what the masons say about themselves? How hard have you tried to get to the text of masonic ceremonies? Your lack of research shows.
In "The Art of War", you are encouraged to "know your enemy". I'm not your enemy, just a discussion opponent. If you don't know your discussion opponent's argument/position because you've never read it, then you are in no position to debunk it. If Masons were really so nefarious, you'd be able to go line-by-line through things they publicly state / public ceremonies and prove them lies from the public record of court cases against lodges and individual masons alone.
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x195 Nicholas George : Morals and Dogma
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
Three of my upper management are Masons. One of them is a master mason. The master mason does not tell me much but he obviously has more knowledge than the other two purposefully compartmentalized associates that he has. Perhaps the most curious and interesting thing that he has ever disclosed to me is that everything that we think is up is down and everything that we think is down is up.
How do you mesh all of that which you said with "Morals and Dogma" from Albert Pike? Do you think that the ideas disclosed in that Masonic Bible he wrote were to make all men better, or just the adept? Something you said that may have a hidden meaning was that your organization makes "good men better". That was not all inclusive, and it didn't tell us who determines a good man from another. Membership in Freemasonry is not open to the public. You have to be invited.
You have merely exposed yourself as an agent provocateur or coadjuvant for the oldest hierarchical terrorist organization on the planet by making the statements that you did. The reason that you can't even address Albert Pike, and his Morals and Dogma revelations/influence on American masonry exposes your interests in conservation of its hierarchical influence on future generations of nescient children, and the willfully ignorant adults they must become to reach full-peacock 🦚
Our generally bleak political environment today exists because of the masonic path forward outlined in morals and dogma, and you made it smell like flowers. This attempt to maintain their status quo is all the evidence that anyone that reads our back-and-forth needs to know who's on what team.
Yours and my words will hang here for a very long time for many to read. I welcome their dissertation on our conversation. Your inability to maintain your maturity at the end of your last comment is very telling about your mission here. You danced around some very important points that others will not miss.
It was enjoyable, and you didn't hurt my feelings, In case you were worried about that. I love it when somebody loses control because it pretty much exposes the rest of their charade. I'm sure that when you read morals and dogma that you will swallow your words. And if the organization actually was successful and making good men better, how did you spend any time there at all? Your last comment outlines your highest achievement, and the fruit others can expect from sewing and eating the fruits of the same tree.
x197 Shaune Silva : positions of servitude to the uber wealthy love to flash their masonic rings
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges folks all over in positions of servitude to the uber wealthy love to flash their masonic rings.... so if you like the world the way it is... slavery, genocide, deception, celebrating the devil ... then hey masonry has a place for you! "thank you" masons for re naming our sacred grounds & announcing who you really serve
https://youtu.be/VvPpREzsreE
So that's why they call it Devils Tower!
YOUTUBE.COM
x199 Shaune Silva : doesn't seem to understand vetting
2022-02-21
Nicholas George maxwell doesn't seem to understand vetting. just like the police have some nice guys they pay low wages as public relations recruiters... they also have psychopath assassins to protect the uber wealthy that are paid extremely high ... they play all sides
x201 Maxwell C. Bridges : caution you not to let Masonic publications or activities from 100+ (or even 50) years ago define the sensibilities and attitudes of members of the organization toda
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, In a big WTF moment, I must ask the question: why you are having Masonic conspiracy discussions with an old man on Facebook you don't know and on a topic you don't know when you have at your ready disposal THREE brothers at your place of employment in upper management who not only would be happy to answer all your questions (without revealing secrets) over a coffee in the break room or an off-site lunch AND HAVE THE ACTION PERFORM DOUBLE-DUTY advancing your career in an almost ass-kiss-up sort of a way?!!
If "three are Masons" and only "one of them is a master mason", the implication is that the other two are Entered Apprentice or Fellow Craft masons on their path to becoming a master mason. Validate with them if this is the case.
You are deliberately making me sound like a broken record when I caution you not to let Masonic publications or activities from 100+ (or even 50) years ago define the sensibilities and attitudes of members of the organization today.
Exhibit A in that regard: Albert Pike wrote his "Morals and Dogma" in 1865 (plus or minus) and could be rightly considered a comparative religious analysis, entirely overblown and big wordy by this century's standards. And this work is SCOTTISH RITE as something curious and persistent seekers of wisdom can battle in reading. It is neither YORK RITE nor blue lodge [e.g., Master Mason] related, nor does it trickle over or down to the other orders. And because of that tome's nature, it doesn't really trickle into SCOTTISH RITE except [speculation] with a few die hard researchers within their ranks who might get together as a mini-book review club to slog through it and discuss a chapter's section at a time, while the others busied themselves with the other degree work and their personal lives. Whatever your interests are or aren't. I don't recall hearing or seeing an announcement of such a club or gathering, but do not put it passed the organization that a minority intellectual fan base might find such mental and intellectual pain stimulating.
For the record, "Morals and Dogma" is not a Masonic Bible! That is a gross failing in your research to label it as such. You lose your research credibility in making that claim.
A true Masonic Bible is just a normal King James Holy Bible, albeit often larger in format & print and with extra pages in the front and back for you Masonic information: like a page for who was present when you were raised to a Master Mason, pages for you to enter your family tree information, and a big fat square and compass on the front cover.
When you approach your co-workers to ask them to lunch to discuss Masonry because you're interested in joining [even if you're not], have your list of questions ready.
Ask the Master Mason if he is either Scottish Rite and / or York Rite? If the answer is no to SR, then don't expect much knowledge about Pike and his overblown work, but you can still ask your questions. In particular, ask how much trickle-down influence SR/YR/Albert Pike into his blue lodge? Ask if there's any devil worshipping in anything Masonic?
But do your asking with a sincere and seeking heart.
In former times -- as in last century and earlier --, you would be almost correct that "you had to be invited to become a Mason." Because without the edict, the opposite of this would have been common: a table in the mall to solicit men into joining like a military recruiter or time-share salesman, which would have led to many "not-quite-so-good" men joining its ranks and souring its endeavors. It isn't about quantity, but quality.
Really what would happen -- using that MM in your upper management as a case -- is that his co-workers (such as you), neighbors, church, community, all with whom they had dealings would recognize a fairness about the demeanor of the MM which would inspire others into asking "what's special about you" or "how can I be more like you" (or other masonic fan-fiction). They'd answer "I'm a Mason", leading to a nice Q&A. Your expressed interest to them would be the trigger for them to (slobber at the prospect to) hand you a petition to invite you to join.
Masons don't go pounding the pavement to get new members to swell their ranks. The ball is very much in your court to ASK about it and pursue it. In this sense "invited to become a Mason" is wrong.
Where "invited to become a Mason" is true is that your petition results in a small investigation committee coming to interview you and a minor background check. Your petition and the committee's assessment is brought before the lodge to vote on. In my 20 years, I only know of one case of a petition being black balled. However, I know of at least two cases where after initiation to EA the new brothers were not worthy of being passed to the next level, but the effort and time limit to get to the next level acted as a natural weed-out before it came to a lodge vote.
You wrote: "You have merely exposed yourself as an agent provocateur or coadjuvant..."
No, no, no. Don't be projecting your weaknesses onto me, a classic disinformation technique.
You wrote: "The reason that you can't even address Albert Pike, and his Morals and Dogma revelations/influence on American masonry..."
No, no, no. You would be hard pressed to find a Scottish Rite Mason (not just a blue lodge Mason) in this day and age who has even read snippets, much less cover-to-cover "Morals and Dogma". If all you ever talk to are MM's in your upper management, they won't be able to address his influence on American masonry, because they aren't SR and there is no trickle-down. Pike and his dogma are ancient effing history that has little to do with, say, this summer's lodge picnic or the upcoming EA degree.
I was active in 9/11 Truth. A valid complaint that 9/11 Truthers would level against the general public is that they suffered from cognitive dissonance. The very act of bringing their own government into question as to being involved with 9/11 is a concept so mentally painful to arm-chair (and real) US patriots, they couldn't entertain it no matter what logical facts are laid out to make the case.
This being said, 9/11 Truthers also sometimes have their blind-spots and areas of cognitive dissonance, unwilling to believe that their movement was infiltrated or that they sucked the Kool-Aid so hard on certain theories and spent years championing them, that those truthers will never admit that the theory was a limited hang-out, a purposeful disinformation campaign that duped them personally royally on, but because of their "sunk-costs" and years of investment cannot admit that they were wrong, despite mountains of data, research, and facts presented in a different fashion.
Mr. George, you too are suffering from cognitive dissonance, because you have been sucking the recycled Kool-Aid of Masonry's enemies from 100 years ago (literally) and aren't willing to consider what Masons today say and prove about themselves.
In case I wasn't clear earlier, consider yourself INVITED to set up a lunch date with the Masons in your office to discuss Masonry. If you are sincere, if you aren't a total schmuck in your organization, and if you ask to join their lodge, I'd wager you'd have a petition in your hands (INVITE) within a couple weeks of your lunch date.
The ball is in your court to talk with real masons in person.
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x203 David Kramer : information page on every person is accessible on their computers by code
2022-02-21
The Free-Masonry information page on every person is accessible on their computers by code. They control you, your money and your business by infiltration. The steal from the poor and feed the rich as long as you are a Corporation owing to the US Corporation. The Masons produced a 5 volume set of books outing lining their success in placing MASONS in every major city, as mayors, and states as governors, hence presidents. Their ability to take high school graduates and offer them any job at any company is how they begin to initiate a Free-Mason. Most meetings are in their church basements. The FRB is nothing more than a front Corporation that manipulates all banks, parties and credit card processes as a Ghost conspiracy to control people. The concept of enslavement was formed around 1789 and is in full operation today. How it works: a bidder wins $5,000 at auction on line, waits for the delivery of the gold and then claims no 3-D secure. This means he did not approve of the purchase and the funds are taken out of the auction house without recourse as a non-corporation. Corporations are protected by themselves. Their fraudulent system is a ghost with no responsibility to the slave. There is no recourse as the judges, lawyers, law and lack of any natural person status remove the plaintiff from recovery even before they file. It is a fixed controlled rat maze and you created it! Now you are going to take a C. E. O. of the Unites States Corporation and make him a president denying the Articles of Confederation of America as your primer, George Washington-was the first Free-Mason, to deny the appointment of an American President. You are corruption and the evil we endure. But by the Grace of God, you will be left with nothing.
x205 Maxwell C. Bridges : look further than the scape-goating of free-masonry
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. David Kramer, You make the claim:
"The Masons produced a 5 volume set of books outing lining their success in placing MASONS in every major city, as mayors, and states as governors, hence presidents."
Please prove this. What is the title of this 5 volume set? Who are its authors? When was it published? Is it available on the internet to order or get a Kindle version?
Failure to substantiate this claim will invalidate the rest of your comment. Ah, who am I kidding? The entirety of your comment is so confused, it invalidates itself. [George Washington was not the first Free-Mason. He was the first president of the United States and happened to be a Free-Mason, as were many other founding fathers.]
Line-breaks in your writing are your reader's friends. When editing your comment with this improvement, you should also do a search-and-replace on any of the derivatives of "Masons", "Free-Masonry", etc. The replacement text should be "____" until we figure out what it really is and have a word or phrase for it.
The point is -- if you've followed the discussion above into which you're chiming -- Masonry does not have, nor has it had for decades, the alleged power and influence over institutions and governments. All such claims are blatant disinformation spun up most likely by those with the actual power and influence over institutions and governments as a distraction from themselves.
Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci are not Masons. You should read Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s book in order to get a glimpse of what true power and influence looks like in our modern times.
Stop being duped by the disinformation and look further than the scape-goating of free-masonry.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Real-Anthony-Fauci/Robert-F-Kennedy/Children-s-Health-Defense/9781510766808
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x207 Nicholas George : diminished the value of morals and dogma in the minds of any mason or non-Mason
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges
You commented on my post that's why we were talking. Yes, yes, yes. None of the horse poop that came out of your mouth in your last comment to me diminished the value of morals and dogma in the minds of any mason or non-Mason. You are fooling only yourself. Why would somebody who practices righteousness want to be part of a group of men who practice in Secret? Why would I want to be part of an organization that supports false doctrines of religion that are parasitic to the sovereignty of all nations and individuals?
x209 Maxwell C. Bridges : not a secret society, but a fraternity with some secrets in its ceremonies
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. Nicholas George, In another comment, you tried to caste aspirations on "secrecy" as being somehow across-the-board always negative, and yet again above you write:
"Why would somebody who practices righteousness want to be part of a group of men who practice in Secret?"
Such stilted reasoning reminds me of spins agents made into "internet anonymity" somehow being bad, forgetting the long-standing of pseudonyms and aliases even in the founding of the USA and leading to freedom of the press and expression as First Amendment rights.
You seem to want to drag selective pieces of Masonic history (Albert Pike 1865) into the present as if it had meaning and significance today (2022), while leaving behind other aspects of Masonic history (secrecy) that really are in practice and have significance. Like the fact that the Catholic church, the Nazi's, and many other organizations & governments through history have persecuted membership into any organization (even the Boy Scouts) that was outside their sphere of control, making "keeping mum about things" a very prudent character trait.
You received many assurances and instances that prove Masons are not a secret society, but a fraternity with some secrets in its ceremonies.
As if you have never heard of a NDA (non-disclosure agreement) and the secrecy it imposes in modern times! As if you aren't aware of the secrecy that Disney (Star Wars and Marvel) impose on their actors when promoting their films!
When you argue against secrecy, you argue against capitalism and for (open-source) socialism, because intellectual property and copyright are capitalism's bread and butter that it goes to great lengths to protect.
You wrote: "Why would I want to be part of an organization that supports false doctrines of religion that are parasitic to the sovereignty of all nations and individuals?"
You make the claim that Masonry "supports false doctrines of religion"? Please substantiate this claim.
In order for you to prove something "FALSE", you'll also need to document what is "CORRECT". Be careful that along the way, you don't expose "CORRECT doctrines of religion" being your agenda as a government agent.
Your response will be invalid if it contains (1) no references to quotations (with URLs) from Grand Lodge or individual Masonic Lodge web pages and/or (2) no quotes from actual face-to-face interviews with the three Masons at your place of employment who will substantiate the Masonic "false doctrines of religion."
If you don't muster up the cajones to have a coffee talk with the Masons you know at your place of employment to dispel myths and disinformation, then you are neither sincere nor serious about Truth.
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x211 David Kramer : 14 Presidents were appointed before any MASON took over
2022-02-21
Maxwell Bridges ...14 Presidents were appointed before any MASON took over...read your own history on line; volumes of the published Mason Directory in 1888 held only by 32nd degree matriarch Masons with the ability of members to read it anytime. Good luck in finding one-communist?
x213 Maxwell C. Bridges : great example of an AI-bot programmed as a conspiracy theorist
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. David Kramer, your last comment makes no effort to substantiate you claim from a previous comment:
"The Masons produced a 5 volume set of books outing lining their success in placing MASONS in every major city, as mayors, and states as governors, hence presidents."
Please prove this. What is the title of this 5 volume set? Who are its authors? When was it published? Is it available on the internet to order or get a Kindle version?
Here's your last comment again:
"...14 Presidents were appointed before any MASON took over...read your own history on line; volumes of the published Mason Directory in 1888 held only by 32nd degree matriarch Masons with the ability of members to read it anytime. Good luck in finding one-communist?"
The above comment is a great example of an AI-bot programmed as a conspiracy theorist and reaching randomly into its database of conspiracy sounding phrases to output... "gibberish"... so as to perform double-duty in attacking Masonry and conspiracy theorists (for being so excellently stupid.)
You make the claim that after 14 presidents, ~then~ a Mason took over as president for the first time and thereafter only Masons were president. Who was that? And please substantiate the Masonic affiliation of all the other presidents?
At rare moments, I can predict the future. This is one such moment. The future I predict is that you won't answer this, and if you do, it won't be satisfactory, because right out of the gate to my knowledge President Truman is the last president who was a Mason (although Clinton was a DeMolay in his youth.) [Masons like to brag about all the famous people who were Masons, so as a Mason, I'd know if there were other Masonic connections in high offices.]
What is a "32nd degree matriarch Mason"? A "matriarch" is "a woman who is the head of a family or tribe." How could a woman become a Master Mason, much less a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason?
Like I said, your comment reads like database gibberish from an AI-bot.
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x215 David Kramer : AI-bot without insight
2022-02-21
AI-bot you are for sure; without insight. https://www.presidentsbeforewashington.org/portraits
The Hall of Presidents Before Washington
PRESIDENTSBEFOREWASHINGTON.ORG
David Kramer
Whoopsie...I guess for you he would be Imperial Potentate.
x217 Maxwell C. Bridges : "AI-bot, you are for sure." Wow. You totally pawned me
2022-02-21
Dear Mr. David Kramer, In your taking offense at me suggesting that you are an AI-bot programmed as a conspiracy theorist, your response was: "AI-bot you are for sure; without insight."
Such a witty and cutting response: "AI-bot, you are for sure." Wow. You totally pawned me. I'm impressed with its insight (not).
Please stop projecting your weaknesses on to me. "Without insight"? Eh-oh-el!
You already have two claims that you've been asked to substantiate, yet surprisingly your response is quite literally "without insight".
Worse, you've chimed into a thread after over 20+ comments with absolutely nothing to add to the discussion on either side.
It is time for you to return from your spamming subroutine and target something else "without insight."
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x219 Nicholas George : D.A.R.E. to resist state-sponsored terrorism, with injection needles
2022-02-21
{Meme: D.A.R.E. to resist state-sponsored terrorism, with injection needles.
x221 David Kramer : Empty heads
2022-02-21
Empty heads need no air....
x223 Craig Lacheney : Freemasonry was when royalty decided it was time to go undercover
2022-05-13
https://www.facebook.com/craig.lacheney.3/posts/2398311373643235?notif_id=1652623136401456¬if_t=comment_mention&ref=notif
Meme: Freemasonry was born when royalty decided in the 18th century ACE that it was time to go undercover and bcome less visible for common people. The newly created lodge system became their executional arm for social engineering under the guise of a classic, pyramid shaped, secret society.
x225 Maxwell C. Bridges : condemn Masonry today for misdeeds from centuries ago, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
2022-05-13
This meme is a perfect example of disinformation spun up by the true enemies of democracy (and free masons) as a scapegoat to distract from what is really going on.
You're getting this from the horse's mouth, what with me being a member for two decades (longer if you include DeMolay in my youth).
Masons can barely hold a lodge picnic without the assistance of their better halves. Masonry has always been a product of the individual communities in which they were established, holding the values and mores of those societies and times. This is not to say that at certain times and in certain geographic locations individual and more radical Masons were not involved with questionable things (e.g., Boston tea party). However, as society changed, so has the mindset of those who joined the fraternity.
Masonry is not, and has not been, a nefarious organization. Before you go spouting "illuminati", know that that radical offshoot (from a century or two ago) was denounced and cut-off from the fraternity practically at its onset.
If you want to condemn Masonry today for misdeeds from centuries ago, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Where's your condemnation today of, say, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc., for all of those institutions also has had members who did heinous deeds? To be fair, your broad brush needs to smear those institutions today with the same (if not greater) vigor as you attack Masons.
Let this be a red flag whenever you see a meme dropping Masonic hints: that the meme most likely is disinformation. Keep looking, because the Masons (a dying organization) are incapable of taking over the world and most certainly NEVER have such as a topic of discussion at meetings or coffee [except in gest].
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x227 Craig Lacheney : Freemasonry serves as a rudimentary screening process for organized satanism
2022-05-13
May be an image of "Ž1 person and "Žtext that says '"Ž"Freemasonry serves as a rudimentary screening process for organized satanism for those that naively think that politics and ritual magic do not mix." Quote from Anton Lavey Founder of the Church of Satan ا Ù¦"Ž'"Ž"Ž
x229 Kristina Kris : born long before
2022-05-13
Freemasonry was born long before 18 century, more like 1400s
x231 Maxwell C. Bridges : correct. However the more formalized institution...
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Kristina Kris, you are correct. However the more formalized institution of "speculative" free masonry (as opposed to "operative" free masonry from whom it borrows its tools in a symbolic manner) was organized in England in the early 1700's. //
x233 Elizabeth Brown : hijacked to form a secret organization
2022-05-13
Kristina Kris Yeah, and masons existed thousands of years ago, so I Imagine they were hijacked to form a secret organization...
x235 Maxwell C. Bridges : To the degree that any and all human institutions are subject to hijacking, yeah, maybe
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Elizabeth Brown, To the degree that any and all human institutions are subject to hijacking, yeah, maybe Masonry had its isolated moments in time with isolated lodges where maybe they were out of line. [The Sand Creek massacre of Indians was performed by Chivington, a Mason. But that was not a lodge event. And he was an American Methodist pastor! Where's the condemnation of that religion?]
But to suppose that any institution so infiltrated and (as the conspiracy speculation goes) rotted at its core would have a hard time surviving beyond its first corrupt generation. Masonry survives because it is not and has never been that.
Masonry historically took a Christian position of turning the other cheek to its enemies and not addressing the hysterical critics, because doing tends only to quasi validate the misinformation. Individual Masons proper deportment and fairness to all are what distinguish them. That strategy was valid for many centuries. However, in the internet age when lies can be virally spread across the globe in milliseconds by bots and agents, that strategy is now a bit lacking. Masonry is scapegoated to distract from those with the true power and who are doing deceitful things.
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x237 Dwan Elbon : goes back to 300
2022-05-13
Kristina Kris masonry goes back to 300
x239 Elizabeth Brown : they are part of the evil plans to control the world
2022-05-13
Maxwell Bridges I think you are wrong and that they are part of the evil plans to control the world, and need to do much more research on them.
x241 Maxwell C. Bridges : Free-Masonry has been and is being scapegoated
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Elizabeth Brown, From lofty position of being outside of Free-Masonry, not a member, and unfounded speculation, you seem to want to school me who has been inside of Free-Masonry, a long-standing member (including jaunts into both York Rite and Scottisch Rite, and founded fact from experience?!! How quaint?!! How much more research am I expected to do?
Free-Masonry has been and is being scapegoated. It never was and never will be an institution that can control the world. I don't know a single multi-millionaire or billionaire who have joined its ranks and been on the level with the lodge brothers. They don't need lodge membership to manipulate the world: they have cash.
Pay attention.
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x243 Elizabeth Brown : All founding fathers of America were Free Masons
2022-05-13
Maxwell Bridges All founding fathers of America were Free Masons, Albert Pike discussed the 3 world wars way before they happened, Manly P Hall, read him, discusses them, as does his student Jordan Maxwell, like most people under the CEO and VPs in every organisation, they are clueless to what is happening at higher levels, you have been duped by fraternity my little friend... duped... fully and completely.
x245 Maxwell C. Bridges : factually incorrect
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Elizabeth Brown, You are factually incorrect when you write "all founding fathers of America were Free Masons". No, some of the founding fathers were Masons. Albert Pike, aside from living 150 years ago and being instrumental in Scottish Rite, had little influence over blue lodges (which aren't Scottish Rite), and today is just a character in the institutions history. His teachings aren't being lorded over Masons, even those with persistence and intellect to attempt to tackle his tome of religious comparison.
I haven't researched Manly P Hall or Jordan Maxwell. Are they even alive today? When did they depart this earthly existence?
In my decades in Masonry, I have not met a single Mason who was the CEO or VP of an organization [larger than, say, 50 people], so again this vast influence that you claim Free Masonry has over society doesn't exist today and hasn't for over half a century.
I was conspiracy minded when I joined the fraternity (right after 9/11), and this has been my one major disappointment except for ancient history in isolated eras in certain geographic regions and with some of their membership at the time. Despite this, the value of the fraternity to me, to my brothers, and to our extended community has been proven beneficial, else I would have dimitted easily a decade ago.
You, my little friend, are the one who is being duped, and not even with current or actual happenings from this century (or even the latter half of the last century), but by a proven (and admitted) hoax funded by the Catholic over a hundred years ago that keeps getting recycled by the ignorant (you) and by those actually possessing the influence and power and needing a convenient scapegoat to distract from their own nefarious doings.
Now if you were to tell me (and prove) that, say, Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, the whole of both Bush Administrations, the majority of the Republican/Democrat parties from top-to-bottom at the national and state levels were Masons, why I'd be singing a different tune in harmony with you. But the fact is, I know not of a single present Representative or Senator in our nation's congress who is a Mason. Given that the fraternity is prone to brag about its famous members (e.g., John Wayne, a few astronauts, President Truman, several founding fathers), this alleged revelation about our vast and important numbers has not been communicated nor proven to me as an insider.
In conclusion, you error in a gross and malignant manner.
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x247 Elizabeth Brown : study Manly P Hall and Jordan Maxwell
2022-05-13
Maxwell Bridges Maybe you should study Manly P Hall and Jordan Maxwell, and the many others who have concluded that the Masons are behind a lot of other secret societies like the infamous Skull and Bones and others, and perhaps they were infiltrated once again in 1776 with the Illuminati, but I think your experience, like many others, have blinded you to what the leaders of your organization are really doing to us all.... Maybe ask Craig Lacheney to provide with more but I do not have time to argue with another brainwashed minion...
x249 Maxwell C. Bridges : replace "Mason" with "Methodist", "Catholic", "Baptist", etc.
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Elizabeth Brown, You should take your own advice about studying Manly P Hall and Jordan Maxwell. Wikipedia can be your friend.
Manly P. Hall was born in 1901 and in 1919 was drawn into the world of mysticism, esoteric philosophies, and their underlying principles. He didn't even become a Freemason until 1954, yet his interests and bent were established long before (and after) he became a Mason.
As for Jordan Maxwell, how influential was he in Masonry if I, as a Mason for 20 years, am first learning about him today from Googling him after you name dropped him? (He doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry, and I am not finding much that is relevant.)
Any good man from any background and circumstance can become a Mason. Masonic influences can be found in a lot of places (including the Mormon Church, the Constitution of the United States, "satanic" ceremonies that liberally copied lodge entrapments, college fraternity initiations), but that doesn't mean the Masons were behind these offshoots and controlling them. Skull and Bones is not Masonry.
As far as the Illuminati goes, it was an offshoot that was quickly enough disavowed, excommunicated, etc. from the fraternity by its governing Grand Lodge and, to my knowledge, exists in name only as a scare word.
Based on your logic, you could replace "Mason" with "Methodist", "Catholic", "Baptist", etc. and claim that they control the world, so weak are your alleged connections that seem to damn all members of the fraternity over all time and geographic location.
Your problem is that you ~so~ want to believe nefarious bullshit, that you aren't willing to consider any evidence to the contrary, even the inside testimony of its members. The founding of America and its constitution that to this day benefits you and society ought to be reason enough to demonstrate Masonry's value and prove wrong its critics.
Maybe you should study the Grand Lodge websites and the individual lodge websites to see what Masons are actually doing and what they write about themselves today. Until you do, you're just recyling bullshit and calling it a rose.
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x251 Maxwell C. Bridges : title
2022-05-13
Dear Ms. Elizabeth Brown, I apologize for this most tardy response that we can squarely blame FB algorithms. Although you tagged me, I never received the notification under the FB alarm bell.
There is a vast difference between:
- saying "the Masonic institution originated and pull strings to this day for other secret societies" and
- saying "various individuals who had at one point in their life's sought deeper meaning through lodge membership or bragging rights to wear masonic jewelry as official masons (MINO), but factually stopped participating in the fraternity and then later went on and became string-pulling involved with the other shit they couldn't do within the Masonic lodge framework; and what the hell, let's agree that sacred shapes and candlelight and fundamental numbers are sacred across religions and spiritual beliefs pre-dating even the ancient stone masons."
So what appears to you as "some wannabe new world dominating cult stealing constructs from Free Masonry for its ceremony" is really stealing sacred constructs from ancients and for all.
I thought that among my super powers were being too trusting until given reason not to be. But it appears that your gullibility super power exceeds mine, and sorry that you can't acknowledge the factual premise that Masonry is being scapegoated. You need to ask yourself who is spinning up this distraction both in general and in what hits your FB newsfeeds.
I don't think I will ever convince you of Free Masonry's benevolence (but more research will get you there.) I will settle for simply planting the seed that whenever you see some conspiracy premise / meme trying to establish street-cred by inserting Masonic symbolism or names (possibly along with Illuminati, CFR, Bilderberg, etc.)... that should be the first red flag that it is disinformation making you duty-bound to rescue nuggets of truth from its maw before discarding it
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x253 Jonny Toop : moon was a big hoax
2022-07-26
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Yes, the moon was a big hoax. If we look behind it, it reveals enormous criminal contracting coming out of Houston Texas, home of George HW Bush. HW, following in the footsteps of his father Prescott, was a key general in a predatory war on America on behalf of a club of blood-lined Luciferian global criminal elites. The lies and rackets went on for decades, including the S&L Crisis, BCCI, and Iran Contra, later leading up to Oklahoma City and nine-one-one. The dark truth has become so obvious, that many psychological operations have had to be created to control the public. These operations are evidence that truth needs to be covered up. The "conspiracy theorist" pejorative was engineered in the 60s when the truth started leaking out about the JFK assassination. The public had to be conditioned not to question those in high places. The "war on drugs" and its "super-predators" covered up for the fact that blood-lined families were using blackmail, bribery, and infiltration of the US military and intelligence agencies to assist in running and monopolizing control over the global drug trade, including Vietnam and Iran-Contra through Mena Arkansas. The "war on terror" was a setup for massive profiteering for this group through companies that the blood-lined families own and control, like Halliburton, Raytheon, Dyncorp, and Chertoff Group. Q Anon was created to safely contain and ridiculously exaggerate "deep state" realities... bankers controlling government was replaced by adrenochrome drinking pedophiles holding thousands of kids in a million miles of underground tunnels. "There is no such thing as a virus" psyop was aggressively and covertly promoted in social media to switch reasonable questioning of criminal activity relating the va** rollout and C*vid origins into a fringe debate. And Flat Earth has been sponsored to usurp and discredit the obvious questions about the moon mission and who was behind this ripoff deception. Questioning the Moon Mission has nothing to do with Flat Earth.
x255 Maxwell C. Bridges : no fundamental disagreement
2022-07-26
Maxwell Bridges
Dear Mr. Jonny Toop, That was a well-reasoned, well-written statement of which I have no fundamental disagreement. Kudos. I only take issue with one phrase: "freemasonic". Yes, I am a Master Mason, but that usage and association of the Masonry does not apply in this context.
How so? None of the Bush's or anybody of note in any administration since, say, Nixon (or earlier) has been a Mason. The fraternity is proud and likes to brag about famous people who were Masons, where Truman was the last President who was a Mason (although Bill Clinton was a DeMolay in his youth, as was I) and Denver Bronco QB/Owner John Elway the last celebrity (because his father was a Mason, and Elway was in no ways an active member).
Don't be conflating exploits of earlier eras of Masons with today, or worse, exploits of secret societies (e.g., Skull and Bones) with Masonic Lodges. I mean, before there was telephone, radio, television, smartphones, and Netflix, people entertained themselves by actually meeting regularly. If lodges didn't exist, they would have been created, because they served a useful purpose in the community and weren't tied to a religious denomination (e.g., Catholics, Mormons, etc.).
I joined Masons with a chip on my shoulder and a conspiracy minded bent just after 9/11, and I did want to see for myself if the rumors were true, of which there were "lame" rumors and "nefarious" rumors. I was disappointed. The "nefarious" rumors (e.g., Lucifer-worshipping, child-blood-drinking pedophiles, puppet-masters of the world) are and have always been false, spun up originally as a humorous mocking piece that the Catholics then paid to continue, because in those days 100+ years ago, Catholics among others didn't like institutions outside of their control.
As for the rumors of free-masonry being "lame" from friends and family, I'm disappointed that they're true. It is a dying institution that may yet cycle back into relevance and rejuvenation (like 1970's bell-bottom pants). They do what they say: "make good men better." They are an open, public society that does have secrets in the form of its initiation ceremonies. [Misuse and public mockery are reason enough to put some effort into protecting them, although if you now what you are looking for, you can find them or recognize them on the internet.] Masonic buildings are clearly marked, its membership clearly observed entering/exiting, website and trestleboard information with officers available.
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x257 Jonny Toop : In recent decades, the masonic component in the networking and power seems to have waned.
2022-07-26
Maxwell Bridges If I had the time to write in more detail, I would probably use terms that are more specific and less offensive to freemasons in general. IMO freemasonry is a one example in a general template for human organization that has much in common with various other sects. It promoting good values and charity among the lower levels of the organization, but at the same time its secretly enables those at the very top to do things not in line with charity or good values. I did a lot of research into freemasonry. It evolved originally as a trade guild of intelligent craftsmen who had the opportunity to travel and discuss ideas in the days when few left their own towns or villages. It took over esoteric knowledge that had secretly stayed with such scholarly classes as the Knights Templar until their dispersal. After 1534, the Jesuits were created as a sort of intelligence agency under the influence of powerful blood-lined families with occult beliefs. The Jesuits are said to have steered Freemasonry, which evolved in the 1600s and early 1700s into a club of educated and elite people whose meetings and potential cooperation threatened royalty. At this point, a group who we can call Sabbateans aggressively sought social advancement through breaking out of their earlier association with Judaism and its moral laws. These people used sexual espionage to blackmail and bribe their way into high society and royalty. They had similar "illuminist" occultist beliefs with the Jesuits and their blood-lined controllers, aggressively took influential positions in global freemasonry, and created the Bavarian illuminati in 1776. This group intermarried with and co-opted European royalty by the early 1800s. Skull and Bones, created at Yale in 1832, was an illuminati organization -- a group that seeks more than just the internationalism and brotherhood long professed by freemasons, but also entitled domination by a set of elites. Freemasons were networked and promoted in politics and business through connections with their more scheming and advanced occult brethren connected to the illuminati and the Jesuits. In recent decades, the masonic component in the networking and power seems to have waned. My grandfather, an old man when my father was born and who I never knew, was a freemason. He had an interesting life due to his connection to people who cooperated in secret as freemasons, from what I can tell. Long story short, IMO freemasonry has served a purpose and has promoted some good values, but at the highest level has been in the realm of elite scheming that connects to the broader illuminati elitists, the Jesuits, and royalty. George HW Bush, while never a freemason, did operate in circles of those who were at the its highest, most corrupted level, and donated over a million dollars to the freemasonic temple in Washington DC.
x259 Maxwell C. Bridges : >G.H.W. Bush and his son were Skull and Bones, already two steps removed from any ceremony they might have stolen from Masonry.
2022-07-26
Dear Mr. Jonny Toop, You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it correct. You aren't a Mason, aren't gathering your information from Masons (or even Masonic websites), aren't considering the words of an active modern day Mason, aren't talking about anything (bad) the Masons have done in, say, the last 50 years, are basically recycling unfounded defamation from a century ago, and have a logical fallacy that wants to pin on today's lodges the nefarious intentions from splitter groups (centuries ago) that stole trappings and ceremony from Masonry and perverted meaning from that which the Masons held.
The "illuminist" story is just one example. Sure, it began as a splinter group from German Masons, and when their intentions were unraveled as un-Masonic, they were ex-communicated from the order. Not being a Masonic historical scholar, I neither know the dates nor care, but you stretch the boundaries when you equate actions from 1776 to today. Again because I don't know, I'll take your word that maybe ideas (if not living remnants) from that failed Illuminati lodge went into Yale's Skull and Bones in 1832. But if so, it is already two major steps removed from the mores and principles of the Masonic institution in whatever ceremony or pomp they borrowed, stole, and/or altered for their own ends. [And by the way, the Masonic ceremonies were borrowed, stolen, and/or altered from allegedly King Solomon's stone masons, so it isn't as if it were original.]
If you can't talk about specific deeds that individual Masonic lodges committed (let alone individual brothers) from the last, say, 50 years to support your contention about the alleged nefarious nature of Free Masonry (and their efforts to "take over the world"), then ... to be quite blunt ... maybe you don't know what you are talking about and have been duped by centuries' old yellow journalism and defamation and should probably just STFU.
Hell, I'll even let you go back only 20 years: please enlighten me on the concerted global efforts of Masonry. You can start by listing the men in positions of leadership and power in various governments and administrations who are supposedly Masons. [Be careful, because just like modern day Republicans are the worst and most hypocritical Christians on the planet today, somebody being caught with an alleged hand-gesture or at a Masonic cornerstone laying ceremony does not make them a Mason any more than Trump holding a Bible upside-down makes him a Christian.]
Your entire beef against Masonry doesn't even rise to the level of hearsay, and certainly has no modern-day examples (from the last 50 years) of institutional wrong doing. Aside from me, who do you know who is a Mason and what do they say? ... That's right. Even the alleged research on Masons that you dug up wasn't current or relevant.
G.H.W. Bush and his son were Skull and Bones. By your own words, already two steps removed from any ceremony they might have stolen from Masonry.
You wrote: "(F)reemasonry has served a purpose and has promoted some good values, but at the highest level has been in the realm of elite scheming that connects to the broader illuminati elitists, the Jesuits, and royalty."
Dude, ever see the old science fiction movie called "Logan's Run"? Spoiler: After Logan escapes, is returned, and is interrogated, his subconscious depicted on the various television screens repeats over and over "There is no sanctuary! There is no sanctuary!"
I feel like Logan in saying over and over: "The big Masonic conspiracy is that there is no big Masonic conspiracy."
Any Masonic conspiracy that you might drudge up today would be equivalent to what you'd dredge up at your fitness club: "Dude, promise you won't tell my significant other about this stupid/funny thing that I did, but it is so funny, I gotta tell ya..." And even then, brother Masons must be asked and can refuse the request to hold another brother's secret. The kicker is, even in accepting the masonic secret request, secrets about murder and treason are excepted and a brother is not bound to keep them. Between that and the pledge of allegance at meetings, governments don't have much worry about insurrection in modern day coming from Masonic lodges (aside from the fact that Masons don't talk about politics or religion, although sometimes the former might slip out from some half-deaf old timers at coffee.)
As an aside, if Masons were a nefarious power trying to take over the world, there would be articles and reports -- even if on independent conspiracy blogs -- of the deeds (and misdeeds) of individual lodges (and their individual Masons) from the last few decades that provide the data points for the alleged nefarious trend lines. Hell, you'd have me as an inside confidential informant. Except, Masonry has been dying, is lame, isn't and has never been nefarious, which are death blows to that silly notion.
The only connection today (and for probably a century) that Masonry has to the "elites", the Jesuits, royalty, and those power is as a convenient scapegoat and diversion for conspiracy research. Power and influence long ago left the institution, if it had it all all [which in some geographic areas and in some eras, it did have]. CFR, Bilderberg, Davos, Epstein's island, the Family, etc. are just some of the examples of where you need to look for true influencers and their nefarious agendas, and none are Masonic or Masons.
Like Logan's Run:
<>To sum up: In the future, let any mention of "Masonic"-anything in a conspiracy meme or "nefarious" conspiracy agenda be a RED flag that the material is disinformation attempting to lazily scapegoat the Masons. [Be sure to rescue nuggets of truth before discarding the disinfo premise.]"There is no Masonic conspiracy to control the world!"
If you happen to be the author of such a work, you should remove Masonic references as being behind recent events, unless you have research proof about such coordinated nefarious lodge activities. Otherwise, such mention only discredits you.
Dropping a seed for you. If you are a good person, then go through the process to become a Mason, telling the brothers about your dead relatives who were Masons. the effort won't hurt you or otherwise compromise you. It is okay to have a chip on your shoulder and an alternative agenda -- to find the Masonic misdeeds in history. Once you are a Master Mason, you could join a research lodge and go to town in your quest. In fact as a Mason, you could approach the secretary of probably just about any lodge and (with a smile and genuine interest) ask to see old meeting minutes.
WARNING: Unless phrases like "degree practice", "meeting night", "lodge picnic", etc. are code words for "nefarious take-over-the-world agendas", you'll be disappointed. Your conscience will be streaming onto your various media display devices: "There is no Masonic conspiracy to control the world!" "There is no Masonic conspiracy to control the world!" "There is no Masonic conspiracy to control the world!"
The big conspiracy is that there is no masonic conspiracy. If the dying fraternity was smart and not so lame and not so truthful, it ought to start a membership campaign that capitalizes on this public misbelief of nebulous Masonic involvement: "Become a Mason and dominate the globe!" Just like there are blue lives matter bootlickers and overly red-white-and-blue patriotic USA-ueber-alles unquestioning flag supporters, why I'm sure there'd be hundreds dozens of duped useful idiots willing to step up to the challenge and bring a new century of growing life to Masonic lodges.
Except, lodges want good men. Not those types of men. And when those types of men see the bait-and-switch -- that Masonry has been truthful and isn't any about taking over the world -- they'll soon lose interest and find some other outlet for their stupidity.
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x261 Jonny Toop : "secret oriental knowledge" being used as an excuse for some people to create levels of control
2022-07-26
Maxwell Bridges Thanks for taking time to express yourself in such detail. It's difficult to try to get at the people who are running the world because they hide behind many groups, most of which have well-intentioned members who don't know what is going on at their very top levels, not to say that the top levels are all compromised or that one can provide absolute proof of this. But I have to express skepticism that freemasonry really derives from people who were the architects of Solomon's Temple. Much more likely is that their rituals have origins with the Knights Templar, who associated themselves with Solomon's Temple, and were disbanded in 1307. The Knights Templar contained architects, scholars, bankers, and other skilled elites of their time. And IMO, it's important to get to the roots of how a group of people now hiding behind the WEF and the wealth of BlackRock and Vanguard managed to organize their club of power in secret. The most defining time of this organization was the second half of the 18th century. This club that is doing the bad things is all about ELITISM, a view on their part that they have a license to do whatever they want due to their inherent superiority. This thinking is the preserve of the highest levels of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which were created as secretive weaponized levels for elites on top of the pre-existing brotherly levels of freemasonry of the early 1700s. Prince Philip, Prince Charles and Prince Berhard of the Netherlands were all into Scottish Rite Freemasonry, and the British Royals became leaders of British freemasonry in the early 1800s. The Queen's cousin is currently the head of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in England. It ties into secretive influence over British police forces many of whose members are masons and are influenced through such channels. Jimmy Savile was close to the royals and by all appearances, he got away with things because police forces received directions from unseen parties to back off on prosecution through this influence. Perhaps Philip and Charles were not representative of the ethical values of freemasons, but they have been active players in this club of elites (elitism being at the root of the problem). The people who created Scottish Rite Freemasonry, thought by many to be Jesuits, were highly suspect. It is all tied with the history of the Sabbateans, who went from being persecuted Jews in the 1600s to a kabbalist cult that was willing to shed all vestiges of their Jewish religion when convenient in order to take over the levers of power in non-Jewish society through infiltration, and thereby control power globally as elites. They merged with German elitist ideologues of the late 1700s and early 1800s, creating the illuminati, which itself inspired the Nazis and illuminati chapters of influence like Skull and Bones. Here we have the well-intentioned globalist brotherhood of freemasonry perverted and used as a stepping stone to take power globally with nefarious intent. When you read "secret oriental knowledge" being used as an excuse for some people to create levels of control over freemasonry in the late 1700s, read Jesuits, Sabbateans, and blood-lined families, all with ties to "the Orient" through illuminism and mystery religions, trying to take control of secret societies. Blood-lined families in Northern Italy had established strong ties with London and other northern European centers. Their influence was loosely connected to the City of London with its masonic lodges that are affiliated with its banks. And P2 Masonic Lodge certainly requires a lot of scrutiny. Yes, when the criminality hiding behind it was revealed, it was rejected officially by Italian freemasonry. Was freemasonry used a scapegoat by the people behind P2? When Roberto Calvi was hung from BlackFriar's Bridge in London when he was about to spill secrets about P2, was this a framing of freemasons by criminal blood-lined families for their crimes? That is a good question. But the P2 lodge was used, in the 1970s particularly, to hide serious criminal scheming of people who operated with the CIA, the Jesuits, Bilderberg, and Reinhardt Gehlen's secret NATO black-ops army. I could get into Albert Pike. Certainly he was Luciferian, and his networking with Italian and global freemasonry through Giuseppi Mazzini may be what opened a door for Italian blood-lined families connected to mafia control to secretively exert negative influence over America through infiltrated masonic social structures. "Build it and they will come". I think that having any separate society, be it a religious group or masonic lodge, enables the possibility of influence that can be nefarious. But I hope that all groups that may have had some level of infiltration can fight back against the parasite elites that are attacking us, and root out any of their negative influence.
2022-07-26
Maxwell Bridges Brilliant. You explained it all. Spot on. It's so sad and frustrating that anyone would have to though. My experience is that it's a bit like talking to a brick wall; my understanding is that we're dealing with mildly schizophrenic leaning (as well as low IQ) wired brains when it comes to most of the morons that think: "adrenochrome drinking, human sacrificing Satanists are running the world." (without any evidence).
I find it mindboggling that anyone with an IQ above room temperature is able to see that things like QAnonsense, and the "viruses aren't real" grift, are an obvious psyop (maybe they didn't figure it out for themselves though).
Yet they fail to see the gigantic obvious Gorilla in the room: ridiculous, outlandish, never-ending ancient historical over conflation & over extrapolation. Delusional simpleton nonsense (with no evidence), like something straight out of the most outlandish Hollywood movie ever. How can they not see that "child sacrificing, adrenochrome drinking, freemasonic/Luciferian" gobbledygook is the biggest discrediting psyop of all! LOL... It's so fucking irrational lol...
Oh, and by the way, thanks for using paragraphs; it's a dying thing on Facebook these days... lol..
x265 Maxwell C. Bridges : I'll not quibble over the history except you've provided no data points from the last half century or more
2022-07-26
Maxwell Bridges
Dear Mr. Jonny Toop, tow SHIFT+ENTER's in-a-row is your friend when composing directly into a FB comment to create paragraphs; or you can compose entirely offline in Notepad and paste it in, which is what I do so that I can save a local copy of my worthy words.
I commend you for taking the effort to compose your researched response (that could only be improved by a half-dozen well-placed double SHIFT+ENTER's that are still within your power to post-edit into published comments for the benefit of latter-day lurker readers.)
I'll not quibble over the history presented or the connection of dots. Except that you've provided no data points from the last half century or more that adhere to your alleged nefarious trend line. Worse, I -- as a truth seeking, insider, and willing confidential informant -- have not come across anything even close to the wild stories that enemies of Masonry have conjured up and recycled to scape goat Masons (and distract from themselves.)
Something I didn't mention. Whereas a region (generally a state) has a Grand Lodge to govern the Masonic work of lodges in its jurisdiction, there is no "super-duper Grander Lodge" presiding over all of the individual Grand Lodges. Trickle down edicts from a Grand Lodge and/or its Grand Master to blue lodges doesn't happen often, but is of the nature (recently for Covid) "Zoom may be used for conducting business meetings, but degree work cannot be conducted via Zoom."
I did mention that neither Scottish Rite nor York Rite have much trickle-down into Blue Lodges except to inspire individual brothers who are interested with "more light in Masonry" or "further education". I've done both, found them in cases in certain degrees a little bit derivative and lacking in steam, but deem them meaningful and worthy despite the cobwebs and dust.
The point is, if Masonry were designed to "take over the world", there would be lots of infrastructure in place to coordinate the Grand Lodges and valleys of SR/YR to trickle-down marching orders and ideas to individual Masons in blue lodges. This doesn't exist. Further, a researcher would be able to dig up the lodge trestle boards (e.g., monthly newsletters) and meeting minutes from the lodge archives complete with all received Grand Lodge correspondence and substantiate that alleged nefariouis premise. Whereas the paper trail exists thanks to dutiful lodge secretaries, it lacks any nefarious meaning or intent, and does not substantiate that alleged nefarious premise and its factual mundaneness actually debunks such notions.
I was "an adherent of Truth" well before I was a Mason, and I had a conspiracy bent. I was born on the eleventh day of the eleventh month; eleven days after I was born, JFK was assassinated. You could say that I was born a conspiracy theorists, was open-minded to the JFK theories, but it wasn't until nine-eleven was a klaxon call to be more vocal. I had my eyes open entering into Masonry and found in 20 years of membership NOTHING except that Free Masons are scape goated right and left with no substantiation.
Mr. Jonny Toop, your two lengthy postings were not just missing double SHIFT+ENTER's, they were missing anything from the last 50 years to substantiate the premise that Masonry remains allegedly a nefarious institution. Not completely your fault because your sources also ran out of steam a long time ago.
About time to recognize that you've been duped about Masonry, and that the only thing nefarious about it are the secret groups who regularly try to scape goat it -- with Albert Pike, no less, a comparative religion scholar whose seminal work from 1875 tries the patience of any modern-day reader worse than Moby Dick ever could. That dog don't hunt in describing Masonry today.
Until you become a Mason yourself where you'd have half a chance of vetting (or debunking) this premise, you really ought to STFU, because your sources long ago last century ran out of steam and Masonry has continued to decline making it impotent for "taking over the world." To be good and true are the first things Masons are taught, not just with our brothers in Masonry but to the world in general. You've been given the truth; your cognitive dissonance won't let you entertain it.
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x267 Maxwell C. Bridges : "adrenochrome drinking, human sacrificing Satanists are running the world."
2022-07-26
Dear Mr. Jasper Desai, thank you for your kind words. I admit to being a moron who thinks (or at least entertains the notion): "adrenochrome drinking, human sacrificing Satanists are running the world." It is just that I know they aren't Masons (as a group, and probably not individuals, either).
As for evidence? I would have thought that Ghislaine Maxwell's client list for Epstein's Island would have been a start, had the courts seen fit to make that public.
I didn't mind as much the government lying/denying things. That is to be expected. Easily countered with the truth.
But I have been knocked on my ass about the purposeful disinfo premises whose origin and (viral) propagation could only be accomplished with money and organization (and governmental backing). Qanon is a great example, as is Flat-Earth, No-planes-at-WTC, deep underground nukes, beams-from-space [are possible but not to the extent attributed to them], etc. Hell, that Trump was foisted on us as President (to distract us with tweets and our own outrage) was a fatal blow to public truth.
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Part 7: Pleiadian and Esoteric Brotherhood
x269 Maxwell C. Bridges : Esoteric Brotherhood is not involved in matrix of system on planet Earth.
2018-09-13
{mcb: Not my words. Came up in my Facebook feed.}
A story has been told for the past few generations that a gathering is occurring here on Earth...
There is a legend that talks of a gathering of 144,000 Light Beings who have to come at the required moments of Earth's shift in vibration in order to generate additional energy to ground the shift and smooth the way for the cosmic reset happening right now.
Brotherhood was never public since time of Atlantis.
They have caused flowering of Greek-Roman culture, they were active as Druid priests in Celtic culture, as Essenes they were collaborating in process of ascension of Jesus and Magdalene against the black nobility, they have founded Sufi initiation orders, they have founded Cathar and Albigensian movement, and have also revived Gnostic Christianity mysteries. In the 13th century they have founded Templar order which enabled formation of Freemasonry.
Based on an impulse from the Brotherhood, hidden Cathar lodges have triggered Renaissance and shaped our western civilization as we know it now.
The Esoteric Brotherhood has transmitted signal for the beginning of Enlightenment movement, and set the basis for scientific and technological revolution. They triggered the creation of Theosophical society through Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and guided the progress of science, especially through Nikola Tesla.
Esoteric Brotherhood is not involved in matrix of system on planet Earth.
Brotherhood of Light is last pure remnant of mystery schools of Light from Atlantis.
The Cabal tried to infiltrate it without success.
As a part of the operation Dreamland.
144 000 lightworkers are incarnating on this planet with the purpose of occult triangulation of light and darkness.
The changes will be political, economic, global, personal, spiritual and religious. There is no part of the old order that will remain untouched. The 144,000 are here to help, to guide and to share knowledge. They have come from other worlds, other dimensions and from the formless energetic fabric of the intra-dimensions.
Earth is rising. We can help, we can be prepared for victory of the light!
We are the family of Light, we are now here!
Our mission is to love this world into a paradise.
Amor vincit omnia!
x271 Jojan HendriksStand with KT : 7 things that affect your vibration frequency from the point of view of quantum physics
2020-01-08
Jojan HendriksStand with KT
2020-01-08
7 things that affect your vibration frequency from the point of view of quantum physics.
7 things that affect your vibration frequency from the point of view of quantum physics.
Vibration in quantum physics means everything is energy. We are vibrant beings on certain frequencies. Every vibration is equivalent to a feeling and in the world "Vibrational", there are only two species of vibrations, positive and negative. Any feeling makes you broadcast a vibration that can be positive or negative.
1ST - * thoughts *
Every thought emits a frequency to the universe and this frequency goes back to origin, so in the case, if you have negative thoughts, discouragement, sadness, anger, fear, all this comes back to you. This is why it is so important that you take care of the quality of your thoughts and learn how to cultivate more positive thoughts.
2TH - * the companies *
The people around you directly influence your vibration frequency. If you surround yourself with happy, positive and determined people, you will also enter this vibration. Now, if you surround yourself with people complaining, gossiping and pessimist, be careful! Indeed, they can reduce your frequency and therefore prevent you from using the law of attraction in your favor.
3TH - * the music *
Music is very powerful. If you only listen to music that talks about death, betrayal, sadness, abandonment, all this will interfere with what you are feeling. Pay attention to the lyrics of the music you listen to, it could reduce your vibration frequency. And Remember: you attract exactly what you feel in your life.
4TH - * the things you look at *
When you look at programs that deal with misfortunes, dead, betrayals, etc. Your brain accepts this as a reality and releases a whole chemistry into your body, which affects your vibration frequency. Look at things that do you feel good and helps you vibrate at a higher frequency.
5TH - * the atmosphere *
Whether it's at home or at work, if you spend a lot of time in a messy and dirty environment, it will also affect your vibration frequency. Improve what surrounds you, organize and clean your environment. Show the universe that you are fit to receive much more. Take care of what you already have!
6TH - * THE WORD *
If you claim or speak wrong about things and people, it affects your vibration frequency. To keep your frequency high, it is essential to eliminate the habit of complaining and bad talking about others. So avoid drama and bullying. Assume your responsibility for the choices of your life!
7TH - * GRATITUDE *
Gratitude positively affects your vibration frequency. This is a habit you should integrate now into your life. Start to thank for everything, for the good things and what you consider to be bad, thank you for all the experiences you've experienced. Gratitude opens the door for good things to happen positively in your life
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